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notadmblnd

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126. My thought is- it's just stuff
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:28 PM
Nov 2012

Mostly cheap stuff so I really have no property worth taking hence no deadly force to protect it. What I would use deadly force for- would be to protect my loved ones if their lives were in danger.

Use of deadly force to protect property [View all] former-republican Nov 2012 OP
Life is more valuable than property creeksneakers2 Nov 2012 #1
I was asking about the law it self not how you personally value all human life former-republican Nov 2012 #3
Life is not inherently worth more than property. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #23
I believe the Federal government has proven this former-republican Nov 2012 #28
Sounds like a complaint about a philosophy you also seem to be defending. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #94
Kill someone because they dented your car and you'll see what humanity thinks of Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #95
it's not about property, not at all. It's about being safe and secure in your own home. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #129
Ah, such eloquence and clarity of thought. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #139
that's the worst argument ever. You fucking fail. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #142
What if my own life depends upon that property? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #131
I thought it was legal in all states. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #2
It's not former-republican Nov 2012 #4
Really? In what states? And under what circumstances? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #101
I keep on reading too many stories of people who shoot and kill innocent people, sometimes strangers SheilaT Nov 2012 #5
How (too) many have you seen? People complain Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #15
It happens fairly often. SheilaT Nov 2012 #34
Respectfully, check the National Safety Council for Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #39
You are off by a factor of ten. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #130
You didn't cite sources. I will give one to you... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #154
So what is the acceptable number? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #152
If you use forceful entry Berserker Nov 2012 #19
I see it a bit differently. Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #6
I think we are pretty much on the same page former-republican Nov 2012 #7
If you see them do it, and you know for a fact it's a felony, Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #11
Are you serious? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #29
I believe he's talking about personal property glacierbay Nov 2012 #31
Hope you are right. Imminent life threatening danger is the key. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #32
since you are apparently independently wealthy, you can let someone steal your tools. oneshooter Nov 2012 #37
Not wealthy. On the contrary. Not financially, anyway. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #43
So you believe that I should just give my tools to the goblins that want them? oneshooter Nov 2012 #45
You don't have to kill someone to stop them taking your tools. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #48
No, not unless you feel like giving them. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #57
"What do you do when that happens, shoot yourself?" Funny comment on a not at all amusing topic. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #93
Ah, there's a funny side to most things in life. Too many take it all way too seriously. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #111
if everyone MrDiaz Nov 2012 #52
What a crock. Where did I say not to defend against would be thieves? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #58
I know that you've never said glacierbay Nov 2012 #61
Thank you. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #64
I never said MrDiaz Nov 2012 #62
And I have no problem with any of that. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #65
I agree with you on this subject. Jenoch Nov 2012 #118
Good. And I would do the same, so there is no "however" applicable here. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #123
I agree with you. oldbanjo Nov 2012 #104
Taking away property is taking away life. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #71
Good luck. Wouldn't want you to lose that deductible. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #76
Thanks. It represents about a week and a half of my life. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #107
" It represents about a week and a half of my life" Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #115
I think he means that the deductible's cost Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #121
I guess he doesn't like his job. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #122
It's OK. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #137
I'm figuring the time it takes me to pay for a $1000 deductible. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #134
If you're the one killing someone for taking a tv, you're the one putting that Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #96
Nope. If you choose to risk your life for a TV, you've made that choice for yourself. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #106
I was addressing this specific part of your post: Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #148
Any would-be thief should assume that choice is the worst-case for them. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #155
Read his post # 6. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #132
I have no argument with that. It is also my position. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #140
That's my position. sir pball Dec 2012 #150
No. Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #36
Good. Glad we got that straightened out. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #38
Depends on the pizza... tortoise1956 Nov 2012 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #13
Well, the replacement cost of my phone is more than 500$, so AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #8
I'd support your right to fight back Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #12
Well then I support changing the definition of a felony. The monetary value threshold should be Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #14
I think it's difficult to come up with a property asessment AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #47
Almost entirely beside the point of my post. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #49
It proposed using a different scale for determining felony status. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #56
Well, you talked about the difficulty of assessing value of something that someone is running away Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #97
Are you saying you support shooting thieves in the back? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #66
No. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #68
OK, I'm with you there. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #70
In some states that is not correct AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #74
I guess that's how Kleck got all those numbers Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #77
Potentially. The criteria was legal defensive gun use. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #79
No. Texas law was changed after Kleck's study. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #135
I'm of two minds on this one. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #9
I think even if it was legal in every state , many would opt out of using deadly force to former-republican Nov 2012 #10
But that means mercuryblues Nov 2012 #53
I don't think think I could shoot a fleeing theft subject. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #16
stuff = life is moral bankruptcy aandegoons Nov 2012 #17
When we ignore the relationship rrneck Nov 2012 #22
Such eloquent grandiosity! Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #67
I guess you didn't notice rrneck Nov 2012 #69
I didn't miss the recession. Far from it. I would fight that same fight to survive. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #75
don't dirty your hands, let your body guards handle it. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #26
possessions = small - large chunks of our lives and history. ileus Nov 2012 #18
The topic of this particular thread is *deadly* force. No one had justified the need for that in Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #98
Anything could result in death...just yelling at a thief could result in death. ileus Nov 2012 #120
I think it depends on the value of the property. If someone threatens my house with a Molotov... slackmaster Nov 2012 #20
Do you think the person that decides to shoot a car thief who is stealing his 14 year old SUV former-republican Nov 2012 #21
I agree that it should not be a crime to shoot someone to prevent theft of your vehicle slackmaster Nov 2012 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #27
I hope that I am never in such a predicament. I aimed my gun at a bird once - could NOT pull the Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #25
I agree 100% Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #33
I can agree with you on this tortoise1956 Nov 2012 #42
It should be illegal everywhere. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #30
Are you a religious person? former-republican Nov 2012 #46
No. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #55
Then your statement is very odd former-republican Nov 2012 #90
Which statement, and how is it odd? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #91
This one former-republican Nov 2012 #92
Really? You think having a moral compass is contingent on being religious? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #108
I didn't think you would understand it. former-republican Nov 2012 #112
Just because I find something abhorrent, doesn't mean I don't understand it. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #117
What about the theives themselves? Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #72
"Everyone should realize that the price you might pay for robbery or burglary is death." Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #78
Oh the courts here in Alabama already know. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #105
What does that have to do with anything I said? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #116
You said we needed to notify the court and prisons. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #119
You said "Everyone should realize that the price you might pay for robbery or burglary is death." Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #124
I don't know what you are talking about. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #125
I give up Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #127
Oh, good. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #133
In my case, prudence might require me NOT to differentiate. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #156
I agree 100% Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #157
From the inception of this country... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #35
Gandhi pretty much agrees with Aquinas, if one does not practice Ahimsa. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #40
Ahimsa: "Avoidance of verbal and physical violence... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #44
So many replies here basically saying Yes to your question because "property" is apparently more Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #50
Because no-one here knows the Vulcan Neck Pinch. n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #88
Earther! Barbarian! Emotional Earther! Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #89
Nor how to shoot straight? Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #99
So, if you touch my bicycle, I would be justified in shooting you or beating you to death Kolesar Nov 2012 #51
1-5k for a bike....that's a lot of scratch. ileus Nov 2012 #54
My philosophy is "if you can't afford to lose it, insure it." Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #80
Everything I have is insured...it just depends on when and where. ileus Nov 2012 #83
That's good. Now you don't even have to think about killing anyone over a lawn mower. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #84
M&P is short for Military & Police, Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #86
Yeah, I figured it was something asinine, and I guess Erie is just a lake. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #87
With posts like #19, I think GC & RKBA is a long way from that. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #100
This will always be a place where morons come in an attempt to pollute. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #113
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #128
It's ultimately a moral decision whatever the law says slackmaster Nov 2012 #59
I totally agree. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #85
While it is not wrong... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #63
I live in Texas, and I'm satisfied with the Texas Penal Code as written. MicaelS Nov 2012 #60
I think it silly to risk one's own life or take another's to defend property. Kaleva Nov 2012 #73
I can think of some exceptions, at least for me. TPaine7 Nov 2012 #81
Massad Ayoob has a lot to say on this topic, actually Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #82
good post to think about YllwFvr Dec 2012 #145
Like Zimmerman shot an unarmed innocent person way outside the perimeter of his home? graham4anything Nov 2012 #102
Zimmerman appears to be claiming self defense, not defense of property ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #136
How was the asswipe claiming self defense when he chased an unarmed man named Mr. Martin? graham4anything Nov 2012 #138
Claiming it is easy, proving it another. Why did you bring him into this thread? ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #141
lol former-republican Dec 2012 #144
A "man" or sheep? guardian Dec 2012 #149
Is there a standardized legal definition of "deadly force" among the states? Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #103
Yes there is a standard definition of what deadly force is. There is not a standard definition of former-republican Nov 2012 #109
Yes. Force that is likely to cause severe injury or death. slackmaster Nov 2012 #110
I was responding to the effect of when it can be used. former-republican Nov 2012 #114
My thought is- it's just stuff notadmblnd Nov 2012 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author Dash87 Dec 2012 #143
For me, as for a few others here, montanto Dec 2012 #146
Other side of the coin: People's thoughts on the use of deadly force/threat to steal property... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #147
Is there even one State which does not authorize the use of deadly force against bank robbers? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #151
I guess it would depend on the monetary Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #153
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