Gun Control & RKBA

Clames

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7. Puts to bed the majority of the assertions that have been made by anti-gun groups...

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:01 PM

Nov 2012

...and their parrots. SYG laws do not generally increase homicide rates despite what is touted by some so-called studies. No Wild West it seems. Nothing suggesting that gun ownership and expanded CCW is influencing these tends but it certainly not hurting anything except wilting a few delicate flowers.

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5-year justifiable homicide levels remain steady [View all] krispos42 Nov 2012 OP

But I thought that with the passage of SYG laws glacierbay Nov 2012 #1

Police and Prosecutors? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #19

That's one case. glacierbay Nov 2012 #22

No, you're not a typical cop, thank goodness. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #26

Die, My Love? glacierbay Nov 2012 #27

Seriously, do you have data supporting this "huge issue?" nt Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #39

There is lots of data out there which is being looked at. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #46

citing Wall Street Journal and Fox gejohnston Nov 2012 #49

So get me banned. WTF Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #51

My bad gejohnston Nov 2012 #52

OK. I thought that wasn't like you. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #53

Naww, not that many natives around here gejohnston Nov 2012 #61

Thanks for references. I don't see an increase of 16 syg uses in 4 years as sifnificant. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #63

Obama !!! orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #2

Wait a minute. rrneck Nov 2012 #3

Justifiable hoomicides are given in numbers. Murder rate is a percentage per 100,000. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #5

Percent means per 100 BigAlanMac Nov 2012 #58

Considering that the incidence of horrific mass shootings seem to be increasing geckosfeet Nov 2012 #4

Don't forget population growth krispos42 Nov 2012 #8

"the incidence of horrific mass shootings seem to be increasing" PavePusher Nov 2012 #13

I do, but I'm not doing legwork for him. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #20

o for f*cks sake geckosfeet Nov 2012 #23

It's a legitimate request. You're wrong and got called on it. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #24

Numbers are always interesting and these look good on the surface. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #6

Point 1 has not changed much in the last 5 years krispos42 Nov 2012 #9

You are correct. My math is off today. Must be the time change. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #11

I find the time change... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #12

As I never attend church it makes little difference to me. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #14

My cell and PCs remember for me. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #16

It actually makes a lot of sense Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #18

Then we should just get up earlier. krispos42 Nov 2012 #25

It's easier to change the clock or switch zones than getting up earlier. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #28

No wonder there's a bunch of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #31

I live in the Eastern time zone. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #29

Wow, that place is a trip. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #30

I'd rent the lots and airstrip access. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #33

Kyoceras- 2x130watt and 2x135watt Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #35

Thanks matey... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #36

Just Atlas silos? gejohnston Nov 2012 #32

Atlas F silos are big enough. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #34

the bar remains the same gejohnston Nov 2012 #10

I know it's a legal concept. I studied criminal law. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #15

you might be right gejohnston Nov 2012 #17

Wouldn't that result in higher numbers? Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #37

Yes, it would. Between 200% and 300% higher Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #38

But the numbers are showing stability over the last 5 years. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #41

It is all about how the numbers are presented. ManiacJoe Nov 2012 #42

Interesting. Maybe people are more willing to defend themselves without the threat of bankruptcy? Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #43

Maybe it has to do with... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #62

It is a little confusing. You need to dig deeper. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #47

So, when will Illinois repeal SYG? gejohnston Nov 2012 #48

"Of course, you don't actually believe people do or should defend themselves outside the home." Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #50

I don't know of anyplace that allows you to shoot or stab shoplifters and looters gejohnston Nov 2012 #54

Wyoming seems to have it right Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #56

I read that quite awhile ago gejohnston Nov 2012 #57

I suppose people are now less willing to let criminals slide now that they don't risk financial ruin Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #55

Puts to bed the majority of the assertions that have been made by anti-gun groups... Clames Nov 2012 #7

Not true according to post #41. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #44

Proof that guns cause crime! 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #21

Thanks for the data. SYG laws collided head-on with Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #40

Not true according to post #41. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #45

This thread has 40+ posts? PavePusher Nov 2012 #59

You'll probably miss this one too Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #60