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Response to The Doctor. (Reply #128)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 08:07 PM

148. omg

 

Don't ever expect me to respond to you again

A promise???

Shall I try one more time to get you to see sense?

Your attempted analogy between

- pro-choice people not liking abortion
- gun owners not liking gun violence

was about the most incoherent word salad I've seen this week, and that's saying something, considering the amount of time I've spent loitering around DU so far.

Ack, forgive me, I was misremembering what you said to the point that it almost made sense. You actually said

Just like the vast majority of pro-choice folks want to see an end to abortion wherever possible,
the vast majority of gun owners would like to see an end to violence wherever possible.


So once again: your first statement is simply false, and your second is what we call, in French, pious wishes. Sound, fury, meaning nothing, you know.

I'm a pro-choice person. I don't not like abortion. Visit the archives of the Pro-Choice and Feminists groups here and you'll find that I'm not a unique specimen. In fact, I'd invite you to take your analogy out for a stroll over at Women's Rights now. The blank stares you are met with will dazzle your eyes.

Now, you did have a bit of a parallel constructed in referring to pro-choice people and gun owners: both of them are entirely irrelevant.

Pro-choice people (and everybody else) have no business meddling in anybody else's healthcare, so them wanting to reduce the number of abortions is as useful as me wanting to fly to the moon. It isn't.

Gun owners are not the people affected by firearms violence, at least not qua gun owners, so their hearts' desires are equally useless in the discussion.

See? Pro-choice people want other people to have access to a necessary health care service. Gun owners, well, I wouldn't presume to speak for them, and I would hope you would not either. We might be safe saying they want to own guns, since they do. And that's all we can safely say.

Pro-choice people who do not have unwanted pregancies just have fuck all to do with this. They didn't even need to get up this morning. We don't need them here. You were just wandering on from your decision to vilify someone -- in response to a clearly facetious post and a cartoon, ffs -- by trying to portray them as the same as a group of nasty people, the anti-choice (or at least a group everyone here would have to publicly agree is nasty).

Pro-choice people don't, like, own abortions, you know. Gun owners own guns. And of course, pro-choice people don't leave abortions lying around for little kids to get hold of, or for burglars to steal and use in robberies, and don't wander around in public with abortions on display, and don't object if they're limited to five abortions a month ... y'see it?

The people whose actual INTERESTS are at stake -- women with unwanted pregnancies and potential victims of firearms violence -- are the people you want to be looking at.

Why else would anybody care about either unwanted pregnancies or gun violence?

You want to reduce harms to those two groups, if we take unwanted pregnancies and firearms injury or crime to be harms.

And with that adjustment, we have you a damned fine analogy. Which I've already laid out, so I won't tire my fingers further.

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