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Which automatic weapons were those? Oneka Oct 2012 #1
you know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #3
Stevens is 92 and undoubtedly confused about a few things. He even saw Babe Ruth hit his 1932 AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #219
the second amendment veganlush Oct 2012 #2
All the amendments are irrelevant... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #5
Cite to authority? n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #9
Might be true if.. pipoman Oct 2012 #20
since the part about veganlush Oct 2012 #21
where does it say that? gejohnston Oct 2012 #22
what was the purpose veganlush Oct 2012 #27
The "militia clause" was put into the Second because the Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #41
Define 'well regulated' please. Francis Marion Oct 2012 #46
You should think about it. Clames Oct 2012 #56
Regulated = equipped. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #215
The whole militia phrase has been pipoman Oct 2012 #23
so they said veganlush Oct 2012 #29
"Well regulated" pipoman Oct 2012 #36
Regulated = equipped. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #216
Why not just leave out the reference to the militia? merrily Oct 2012 #100
I believe pipoman Oct 2012 #106
Because we arent supposed to have a standing army. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #217
Dangerous? Chuckyoufarly Oct 2012 #4
Actually, rifles of ALL types account for -3% of homicides; shotguns Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #42
actually he is wrong gejohnston Oct 2012 #6
One of the big problems with Miller regarding SBS ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #17
Obvious problems, here... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #7
when I first read Miller, gejohnston Oct 2012 #8
I as well. Which is why the gun-controllers best leave sleeping dogs lie. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #11
Stevens is either a fucking moron, or no longer mentally competent for his job. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #10
Naww, he just wanted to collect his speaking fee and gejohnston Oct 2012 #12
What is his job now? merrily Oct 2012 #95
Automatic weapons used in the tragic multiple killings glacierbay Oct 2012 #13
It's a wonder how someone so ignorant about existing laws... Clames Oct 2012 #14
Such is the ENTIRE Argument for Your Position fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #33
Well, at least you seem to have come to terms with your problems. Clames Oct 2012 #58
Read Again! fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #62
You ever consider why the anti-gunners keep losing... Clames Oct 2012 #70
LOSING? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #73
Yes, losing. Clames Oct 2012 #89
My Side? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #93
Does he serve on the SCOTUS? merrily Oct 2012 #96
Past tense...you missed it. Clames Oct 2012 #125
Tee Hee Hee.....someone thinks automatic weapons were used in VA,Co, and Az. ileus Oct 2012 #15
That's the main issue about VA, CO and AZ, which type weapon was used? merrily Oct 2012 #98
Didn't Heller cite the M-16 as being particularly suited to militia service/duty? jbgood1977 Oct 2012 #16
A chicken in every pot and an M4 in every garage derby378 Oct 2012 #69
I really did LOL at that. But, in all seriousness jbgood1977 Oct 2012 #129
Careful now.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #131
I'd like to see how that shakes out myself derby378 Oct 2012 #132
Did it? Why not give us the direct quote from the Heller opinion? merrily Oct 2012 #99
LOL!! jbgood1977 Oct 2012 #127
The same POS that decided your property rights are meangingless... -..__... Oct 2012 #18
As you know, mostly Republican appointees decided the Kelo case. merrily Oct 2012 #97
If he said that, he is ignorant pipoman Oct 2012 #19
Wouldn't any weapon be legal under the 2nd, along safeinOhio Oct 2012 #24
I agree ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #25
I'm Sure THAT'S what you think he had in mind! fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #32
It did work actually ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #35
Historical Revisionism fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #37
That platform ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #39
I don't think it will cost us the Presidency glacierbay Oct 2012 #40
Like so much of what you say fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #50
They had a lot tougher gun laws JonLP24 Oct 2012 #105
Not sure if "legal" is the correct term here. SecularMotion Oct 2012 #26
Where in the Constitution is the government given Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #43
"...to insure public safety"... Jenoch Oct 2012 #75
Does Stevens mean "auto-loading" weapons? krispos42 Oct 2012 #28
He Means Exactly What He Said fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #30
Automatic weapons were not used in those shootings glacierbay Oct 2012 #34
What about fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #48
Hell glacierbay Oct 2012 #49
Well in those two cases ... fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #51
It probably did save some lives glacierbay Oct 2012 #52
You forgot the non-extended mags that were used in Virginia, and which helped... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #54
Really? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #66
Better that than relying upon forcing spree killers to practice reloading. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #85
Right fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #86
if you are the one with the rifle and people are shooting at you, yeah gejohnston Oct 2012 #88
Then he means nothing krispos42 Oct 2012 #45
Right fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #47
A ban of a ban? Clames Oct 2012 #59
Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #63
You are the person Jenoch Oct 2012 #79
Ban of a Ban? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #83
These are your words: Jenoch Oct 2012 #87
NO fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #94
I'll use plain words (yours) and make this simple for you. Clames Oct 2012 #91
What A Joke fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #92
Wow, you deny that you said what you said... Clames Oct 2012 #109
Are You Just...... fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #110
No you didn't. Clames Oct 2012 #113
It's pointless fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #115
What a riot... Clames Oct 2012 #117
What a riot... fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #119
Here's what you said and where you said it. Straw Man Nov 2012 #143
Are we back to this? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #144
Yes, we are. Straw Man Nov 2012 #145
Already done fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #146
No, not done. Straw Man Nov 2012 #147
YAWN fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #148
Yes, you can go back to sleep now. Straw Man Nov 2012 #149
BRAVO fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #155
Gun control is founded on ignorance and fear. Justice Stevens is case in point. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #38
Actually, it is founded on multiple electronically created clapping hands. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #44
Fear? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #53
You are free to fear anything (or nothing) at all. You *are* not free to make your fears... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #55
NOT MY FEAR fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #65
Yes, fear. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #57
LET ME PUT IN BOLD fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #64
I am talking about more than you and your post. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #71
THEN SPEAK FOR YOURSELF fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #72
Let's see we have insults, swearing, difficulty with simple English,... Clames Oct 2012 #111
Try Taking a Position on fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #112
I have taken a position. Clames Oct 2012 #114
Personal Problem? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #116
That word applies to most anti-gunner positions. Clames Oct 2012 #118
Yawn fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #120
Yawn Clames Oct 2012 #121
Actually, Jenoch Oct 2012 #77
Your Experience fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #78
So you really think Jenoch Oct 2012 #80
Didn't Say That fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #81
This is your initial response> Jenoch Oct 2012 #84
Here You Go fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #90
Naw. I see more fear Jenoch Oct 2012 #123
Hardly fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #124
I thought we were discussing fear. Jenoch Oct 2012 #126
Fear is a healthy emotion. Helps us survive. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #60
Yes, I agree that fear can help us survive. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #61
BRAVO fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #67
there is a story about Thomas Dodd gejohnston Oct 2012 #68
What is posting a rumor supposed to accomplish? merrily Oct 2012 #101
the point was fear, and maybe hypocrisy. gejohnston Oct 2012 #103
"statistically safer", like every other western democracy? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #133
US problem is concentrated in a few cities gejohnston Oct 2012 #136
Very true, but I'd rather be in Toronto, regardless. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #137
they don't have the inequality of wealth either gejohnston Oct 2012 #138
Have you lived in the Jenoch Oct 2012 #139
Since Carter was in the White House Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #140
You chose to answer that question. Clames Oct 2012 #141
Being aware and prepared also help. ileus Oct 2012 #74
They carry because they care about themselves, not society. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #134
Waaaah... Clames Oct 2012 #142
You're a veritable local hero and so modest. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #150
Has everything to do with how you know fuck all about gun owners... Clames Nov 2012 #154
So we have to conform to the values of the majority? hack89 Nov 2012 #151
I don't know how you arrive at that conclusion. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #152
So how does me carrying guns endanger society? hack89 Nov 2012 #153
That's a question only you can answer? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #156
I agree with you that open carry is a more honest policy but it is not a choice right now. nt hack89 Nov 2012 #157
That's good. We agree on something. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #160
But CCW is not inherently dishonest hack89 Nov 2012 #161
It is legal, but whether it is inherently dishonest is debatable. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #162
cheating on the wife and carry concealed is a false equivalence gejohnston Nov 2012 #163
You make a valid point Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #165
mostly because gejohnston Nov 2012 #166
I don't see concealed carry as a hobby/sport. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #171
I'm saying they are sport shooters since childhood who decided to carry gejohnston Nov 2012 #172
It wasn't sexist. I said "in general" and the exception often proves the rule. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #173
conflict resolution is different than gejohnston Nov 2012 #175
I fail to see any harm. hack89 Nov 2012 #164
Again, I have nothing against gun owners. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #169
When that mistrust is based on emotions and ignorance hack89 Nov 2012 #174
Who's asking you to give up a civil liberty? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #176
the laws banning concealed carry before they were changed gejohnston Nov 2012 #178
Wanna be specific? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #180
Bearing arms is a civil.liberty hack89 Nov 2012 #183
And where am I asking you to give that up? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #186
CCW does not represent a threat to public safety hack89 Nov 2012 #188
There you go again, just when you seemed to thinking freely Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #191
The only thing that matters is people shot, hurt or killed. hack89 Nov 2012 #192
Can you show that CCW has resulted in more shootings and deaths? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #193
So you can't show an increase in deaths due to CCW? hack89 Nov 2012 #194
OK, let me get this straight Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #197
Our society is steadily getting less violent and more safe hack89 Nov 2012 #199
"Moral panic such as yours is not grounds to restrict civil liberties." Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #200
You refuse to present any facts or evidence hack89 Nov 2012 #201
Concealed carry is not a civil liberty. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #202
And yet here we are with historically low levels of gun violence hack89 Nov 2012 #203
I couldn't imagine being more relaxed. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #204
Please don't change the subject. hack89 Nov 2012 #205
There is no point. It neither increases nor decreases the numbers. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #206
So it is bad just because it is bad? hack89 Nov 2012 #207
Doesn't offend my sensibilities, nor do I suggest banning it. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #208
OK nt hack89 Nov 2012 #209
who was it that said something about grainy youtube videos gejohnston Nov 2012 #195
I didn't watch any of them Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #198
In further response. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #196
Of course it is dishonest. You said yourself OC is more honest. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #167
Stop twisting my words. hack89 Nov 2012 #177
It means less honest, as you said. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #179
So is your position that open carry should be the law of land? hack89 Nov 2012 #181
This is my position Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #182
As a progressive I reject the notion hack89 Nov 2012 #184
Firstly, it is not a civil right to carry a concealed weapon. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #187
I wonder why people like you feel compelled hack89 Nov 2012 #189
I would call it a civil liberty gejohnston Nov 2012 #190
the problem with "demonstrable need" gejohnston Nov 2012 #185
There is no deception involved. hack89 Nov 2012 #158
Did you encounter Jenoch Oct 2012 #76
United States Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #135
I think you have it all wrong. Jenoch Oct 2012 #82
Never have? pipoman Oct 2012 #107
Next time I make the mistake of following a link to the "gungeon," merrily Oct 2012 #102
well, stick around long enough to read answers gejohnston Oct 2012 #104
Afraid of getting logical answers pipoman Oct 2012 #108
All you've done so far is claim that Stevens is smarter than everyone else.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #122
It's LOOPY LOOP LAND fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #128
what sound bites? gejohnston Oct 2012 #130
At the very least jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #159
Let her go. This place is toxic. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #210
Yeah, I see what's taken place. jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #211
You know, I was really hoping to have a bit of a discussion jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #213
start a thread and see what happens -- Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #218
trash the group. problem solved. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #168
Congress? State not federal. am I misunderstanding something or did he misspeak? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #170
"Militia" freedomboogie Nov 2012 #212
Nice to see that your average counterstrike playing 10 year old knows more about firearms AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #214
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