Actually, I don't. (Reply #45) - Democratic Underground

In the discussion thread: Pistol grips on long guns, and rifle crime in general. [View all]

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:55 AM

benEzra (12,148 posts)

45. Actually, I don't.

But you are so wedded to the idea that no sane, thoughtful person could POSSIBLY own (gasp!) rifles with (shock! horror!) modern styling, that you have to make up all sorts of BS in order to fit people like me into your narrow worldview.

No, I don't read or post on townhall.com. Hmmm, let me Google that for you:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Awww.townhall.com+benezra
http://lmgtfy.com/townhall+benezra

I *do* read the ACLU blog (Blog of Rights), Right Wing Watch, Religious Right Watch, and the Agitator, among other things, and you can read between the lines about what that says about me (hint: I don't like authoritarian busybodies who think that Gawd has told them to run my life for me). And it's funny, the confluences one can find between the hardcore anti-gay fundies, the anti-muslim fundies, and some anti-gun fundies...

BTW, I see that you haven't been able to address a single point that I've made in this thread, which is the only reason you went straight for the smear. Nice try, but you might want to go for a rebuttal of the actual issues instead, if you can address them.

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Pistol grips on long guns, and rifle crime in general. [View all]	benEzra	Jan 2012	OP
Outstanding post, benEzra.	Simo 1939_1940	Jan 2012	#1
Pistol grips on any long gun are much more comfortable.	ileus	Jan 2012	#2
Pistol grips on any long gun are much more comfortable, especially for women.	Tuesday Afternoon	Jan 2012	#4
I guess some want to sit in a recliner and blast away.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#3
Those are his concealed carry guns	DonP	Jan 2012	#5
Yeah, they can also be used as a crutch if he shoots his foot.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#21
"Didn't read narrative......."	Simo 1939_1940	Jan 2012	#12
Sorry, there is little in it I'm likely to agree with in this life.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#19
Well, you might agree that pistol grips are common on European target guns...	benEzra	Jan 2012	#25
Ignorance, especially of the deliberate variety,	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#81
More like you avoid material which conflicts with your memes,	Simo 1939_1940	Jan 2012	#119
That's what I say when I'm too ashamed to say "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts"	Wistful Vista	Jan 2012	#135
Here's what I think:	Atypical Liberal	Jan 2012	#51
Yeah, that blue color was a little lurid. Don't worry about not 'reading...	SteveW	Jan 2012	#72
That line of 'reasoning' would make any pictures of flowers	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#83
Ignorance is bliss	DragonBorn	Jan 2012	#221
I believe that the"gun porn" scares him. n/t	oneshooter	Jan 2012	#224
Maybe the law could be rewritten...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#6
"Death Spewer"? That is funny	DonP	Jan 2012	#7
Yeah whatever...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#15
rude death spewer gunner toter baser.	ileus	Jan 2012	#50
Intentionally or unintentionally not showing the side with the stock folded against it?	rl6214	Jan 2012	#10
Looking at the pic of the AK,	ManiacJoe	Jan 2012	#14
Yes. Underfolders are slow to deploy and a bit of a pain for that reason, though.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#23
No...This is a death spewer.	beevul	Jan 2012	#16
I have occassionally...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jan 2012	#66
It's understandable that one might get that impression from the "fear sells" media...	benEzra	Jan 2012	#22
Nope, that's a death spewer.	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#70
'ze Germans' would be carrying automatics in this case. His guns are no match.	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#89
I resent you saying I have "hatred" by the way.	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#91
After you apologize for all of your mischaracterizations,	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#115
It's not mischaracterization when it's true and the consensus depiction...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#213
Post removed	Post removed	Jan 2012	#219
Why would I want to play footsie with you?	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#220
You don't realize how much you are projecting, do you?	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#223
Sounds to me like you are afraid to take the test. n/t	oneshooter	Jan 2012	#225
LOL	beevul	Jan 2012	#228
I'll bite.	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#230
Fundamental misunderstandings.	Straw Man	Jan 2012	#232
And bite you did.	beevul	Jan 2012	#233
There's the classic "Damn right we'll conficate"	friendly_iconoclast	Jan 2012	#234
Let me remind you what the gun control lobby used to say about Title 1 rifles like mine.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#136
i have a very similar rifle	YllwFvr	Jan 2012	#198
No, just the West Germans. :-b	benEzra	Jan 2012	#121
Do you have some sort of plan to separate me from my death spewer?	Wistful Vista	Jan 2012	#137
death spewer toter -- I may have to make that my new sigline -- wonder how well that would go over	Tuesday Afternoon	Jan 2012	#152
AAAAAAhahahahahahahahaha	rl6214	Jan 2012	#154
See someone with a sense of humor about life...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#155
Post removed	Post removed	Jan 2012	#222
I hope to get an AK pistol this year for the Jeep.	ileus	Jan 2012	#49
I have a 30cal BAR and a 1919a4 for my jeep	oneshooter	Jan 2012	#118
I have an AR pistol I built that I take out often in the jeep.	rl6214	Jan 2012	#156
"Death Spewer"	Atypical Liberal	Jan 2012	#59
You expect "virulent pro-death spewer reaction" from fellow progressives?	SteveW	Jan 2012	#73
You're as bad as the anti-choicers.	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#87
"It can certainly be characterized as 'hysterical', though I'll leave out the gender aspect of it."	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#90
That's not rational, but I'd like to help.	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#95
I have no need for your "help"	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#98
Whatever excuse you need to avoid backing up your own assertions.	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#107
"It can certainly be characterized as 'hysterical', though I'll leave out the gender aspect of it."	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#109
Like I said, you were fishing for excuses to avoid a substantive challenge.	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#110
Full automatics ARE legal, in many states.	beevul	Jan 2012	#151
Wow, I haven't seen a backpedal like that in ages.	mvccd1000	Jan 2012	#173
When you call people and/or their tools "death-spewers", you are accusing them of homocidal intent	PavePusher	Jan 2012	#189
Would you like to hear about the gun control measures I'm OK with?	benEzra	Jan 2012	#138
I'm very open-minded....	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#149
Oh we can tell you're open minded...	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#187
That's your opinion.	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#197
What do you find unconvincing?	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#200
...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#204
I guess I just don't understand your sense of humor.	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#205
There was a lot of funny about that post...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#208
Since you wont engage in actual debate....	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#211
Debating you is like debating a dining room table, I have no further interest in doing it. n/t	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#215
If you keep losing to the dining room table....	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#216
He's gonna have one bitch of a time when the armoire wakes up...	Wistful Vista	Jan 2012	#231
I don't know a single gun owner that dosen't want to see an end to violence	rl6214	Jan 2012	#158
Most European systems would liscense you as a collector I believe...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#159
Or as a competitive shooter.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#172
I am licensed as a collector	rl6214	Jan 2012	#177
So then I suppose the question...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#178
I guess my question would be...what is a higher standard?	rl6214	Jan 2012	#180
Say required by law like you've done on your own to...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#183
I know there are some places that have requirements like that	rl6214	Jan 2012	#184
I love Guns forum analogies	iverglas	Jan 2012	#114
That's pretty misandrist of you to say that.	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#117
do you have an opinion on abortion?	iverglas	Jan 2012	#124
You need glasses then.	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#128
omg	iverglas	Jan 2012	#148
Many years, no reason.	mvccd1000	Jan 2012	#174
That AK is pretty stupid	DissedByBush	Jan 2012	#126
This poster is no longer with us.	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#179
What did dissed do to warrant his ejection?	rl6214	Jan 2012	#181
From his profile:	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#182
Didn't I see something like that in a post that he was going to post it as his sig line	rl6214	Jan 2012	#185
Doncha know those against pistol grips don't care how uncomfortable it is to shoot without one	rl6214	Jan 2012	#8
Yeah, but when I Read a few lines, it's about better if attacked.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#26
"Too much paranoia" indeed.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#28
Don't care about that bull. This commando bs is not good for society.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#30
Dude, I'm a 41-year old geek.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#32
You still read townhall.com.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#37
Actually, I don't.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#45
Sorry, wrong thread. I was posting from new phone rather than desktop.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#48
No problem at all; we're all human here.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#125
I have no real problem with most people having a gun at home. But, not so much, in public.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#161
Whoa, you can't remember who linked townhall.com?	beevul	Jan 2012	#47
Lookout...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jan 2012	#67
Admittedly, that's funny.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#165
Have a nice day.	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jan 2012	#186
BE CAREFUL!	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jan 2012	#188
Do you strap on a backup as well?	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#192
Negative, sir.	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jan 2012	#193
Define 'not good' and 'commando'	E6-B	Jan 2012	#34
Members of gun culture always want definitions. Think is my advice.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#36
I think you have not thought this out very much.	E6-B	Jan 2012	#52
Well yeah....	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#57
If you can't define a problem then it indicates you don't understand the problem.	Atypical Liberal	Jan 2012	#62
Defining terms is important	Union Scribe	Jan 2012	#130
Read my signature.......	Simo 1939_1940	Jan 2012	#133
In what way is it harmful?	Atypical Liberal	Jan 2012	#60
"Commando:" Are you referencing an old Studebaker? nt	SteveW	Jan 2012	#74
I don't get it...why are you so opposed to people defending themselves against thugs?	Wistful Vista	Jan 2012	#140
I'd like to see your society policeman badge	rl6214	Jan 2012	#160
Good post	my boy x dog	Jan 2012	#9
I carried a shotgun around with a sawed off stock when someone was stalking and tried	Lint Head	Jan 2012	#11
I hear you on stalker. On pistol grip, it's kind of like some folks recommend maturbation	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#38
Not competitve. I just target practice.	Lint Head	Jan 2012	#227
Pistol grips are very good on shotguns	DissedByBush	Jan 2012	#127
Yeah, hearing that silly meme repeated here made me scratch my head.	X_Digger	Jan 2012	#13
Again, talking about at close range in surprise at a crowd...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#17
If you ever find yourself in NC, shoot me a PM.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#24
They're virtually the same in those circumstances, pistol grip or straight stock.	X_Digger	Jan 2012	#27
You mean, like a crowd in the queue to go through a metal detector...	krispos42	Jan 2012	#35
Into a public event...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#40
By that criteria, you should be more worried about shotguns.	beevul	Jan 2012	#42
"And yet...somehow I doubt that you are."	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#43
Nice dodge.	beevul	Jan 2012	#44
Are you keeping records?	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#68
We all are.	Atypical Liberal	Jan 2012	#69
And yet I'm the totalitarian...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#77
Indeed, and we are keeping record of that fact.	Atypical Liberal	Jan 2012	#79
At last, something about which I can agree with you	Wistful Vista	Jan 2012	#141
lol	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#144
Well, I just took you at your word, it's my usual MO. I'm new here but not to the world.	Wistful Vista	Jan 2012	#145
Well, that's a very silly criteria.	PavePusher	Jan 2012	#191
So are you saying dude's been following my posts for over a year?	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#194
Really? You make an accusation of stalking from out of the blue?	PavePusher	Jan 2012	#199
Grow a sense of humor.	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#202
No, that is not even remotely what he said.	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#201
When you say "I'm not attempting to insult you"	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#203
No i really wasn't	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#206
Oh I sorree Mr. We_Have_A_Problem...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#209
Truthfully...	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#212
"You also frequently seem to completely misunderstand what should have been crystal clear."	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#214
I agree with you 100%	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#217
I state my opinion...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#218
Sigh....	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#226
Worry about the wrath of an unplugged Remington 870 shotgun! Argh.	SteveW	Jan 2012	#76
You do have to index a rifle at any realistic distance.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#46
You're right, it's not that widespread in the United States yet...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#146
Thoughts, at some length...	benEzra	Jan 2012	#166
Thoughts, in brief...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#175
Sigh...	benEzra	Jan 2012	#176
A couple of observations re: claims on your part	Euromutt	Jan 2012	#235
A couple of judgments re: claims on your part	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#236
If you're trying to make a point, maybe you should try sticking to it	Euromutt	Jan 2012	#238
Same shit, different poster. n/t	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#240
"Please tell me why someone should be allowed to own half-a-dozen handguns with little oversight."	friendly_iconoclast	Jan 2012	#239
The issue is theft and supply to the black market. n/t	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#241
You really couldn't say more clearly that you do not understand the point.	TheWraith	Jan 2012	#78
What is the point?	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#80
Yes, that it's ergonomic.	TheWraith	Jan 2012	#84
Well I hope that one day soon these military grade weapons will be severely restricted...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#85
You've yet to provide any validity to your 'side'..	X_Digger	Jan 2012	#92
Different subject...	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#93
All guns or their antecedents, save for a few target guns / bench competition guns..	X_Digger	Jan 2012	#99
Can you reduce the size of your pron? n/t	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#100
Do you even do the slightest bit of fact checking?	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#102
Have you considered that there are other standards of lethality than ballistics? n/t	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#103
By all means	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#105
Sure.	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#106
Except that....	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#111
Nice...	killer angel	Jan 2012	#195
Did you think nobody would notice your substitution?	X_Digger	Jan 2012	#112
Do not expect honesty from these people.	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#116
You know you linked to your own post, right?	moriah	Jan 2012	#157
Extrapolation isn't just a word beginning with 'E'.	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#162
Damn, then, guess I shoulda voted to hide when it was alerted. ;)	moriah	Jan 2012	#164
Referring to other posts in a single thread	The Doctor.	Jan 2012	#169
taps foot..	X_Digger	Jan 2012	#153
Which of course explains why they are used in less than 3% of all homicides committed with firearms.	AtheistCrusader	Jan 2012	#237
taps foot..	X_Digger	Jan 2012	#245
Yes, there are.	benEzra	Jan 2012	#143
Those aren't "military grade weapons."	TheWraith	Jan 2012	#96
Except you are very insistently confusing NON-military-grade weapons with actual	benEzra	Jan 2012	#139
Unless there is a serious and dramatic change in human behavior	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#94
It appears that some people think abysmal ignorance of a subject is somehow a progressive value?	DonP	Jan 2012	#101
Well, if an armed citizen can't figure out and shoot the right person in a milling panicked, crowd..	krispos42	Jan 2012	#82
Seriously?! A pistol grip aids in concealment?!	Simo 1939_1940	Jan 2012	#242
You had a point?	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#58
Notice how even soldiers carry for quick spraying	DissedByBush	Jan 2012	#131
Interesting picture	E6-B	Jan 2012	#171
Nice historic photo - looks like an old Browning Automatic Rifle	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jan 2012	#56
That is and he is. The Browning BAR was designed as a "keep their heads down"	oneshooter	Jan 2012	#120
I wish my dad made me cool stuff like his father did	DonP	Jan 2012	#61
Anschutz makes extremely accuarate target rifles...	spin	Jan 2012	#18
Always a pleasure to read a well thought out	Union Scribe	Jan 2012	#20
Dreaded bayonet attacks	E6-B	Jan 2012	#29
I endorse them? But, anyone who needs a bayonet, should be prohibited from guns.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#31
Is it a massive problem? Bayonet fear mongering.	E6-B	Jan 2012	#33
If you really think you need a bayonet, you should talk to a medical professional IMlayO.	Hoyt	Jan 2012	#39
Why? Flash supressors?	E6-B	Jan 2012	#54
Why should he need a medical professional when you're right here on the scene?	Wistful Vista	Jan 2012	#142
Can you help me understand flash suppressor logic?	E6-B	Jan 2012	#170
Sadly, I can not.	Wistful Vista	Jan 2012	#229
I prefer to shoot the litter back to the stone age	era veteran	Jan 2012	#41
I used my bayonet in the army, and carry one when hunting	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jan 2012	#53
I think really they're talking about the attachment to a rifle...n/t	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#88
A bayonet is merely a knife...	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#104
Most of the early bayonets were 16-24" long	oneshooter	Jan 2012	#123
Is there any use for a forward pistol grip?	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jan 2012	#55
The same ergonomics as the rear pistol grip.	X_Digger	Jan 2012	#63
Great post!!	montanto	Jan 2012	#64
The Devil!!!	Glassunion	Jan 2012	#65
Good to hear from you again, Ben. Hope all is well in your family. nt	SteveW	Jan 2012	#71
Doing great, thanks!	benEzra	Jan 2012	#150
+1. Dude, that's good news. Thanks for the update.	friendly_iconoclast	Jan 2012	#163
Glad to hear things look a lot better than they did for a while there.	DonP	Jan 2012	#190
That determined look. Wish I were that young if for that reason only. nt	SteveW	Jan 2012	#196
What a person with no feffing clue sounds like....	E6-B	Jan 2012	#75
I see you're a fan of the Tucker! n/t	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#86
no, probably googled	gejohnston	Jan 2012	#97
OMFG!	DissedByBush	Jan 2012	#134
OMFG she is in Congress writing gun control laws.	E6-B	Jan 2012	#167
I cannot believe...	We_Have_A_Problem	Jan 2012	#207
Didn't you just post a thread in Meta	Union Scribe	Jan 2012	#129
Unknowingly via yahoo news.	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#147
Post removed	Post removed	Jan 2012	#168
Post removed	Post removed	Jan 2012	#132
Death Spewing hip fire...	Glassunion	Jan 2012	#108
And compare that can't-hit-squat hip shooting	benEzra	Jan 2012	#243
Actually, that's not hip firing...	PavePusher	Jan 2012	#246
Point of order	Glassunion	Jan 2012	#247
My point exactly...	PavePusher	Jan 2012	#248
I shot a muzzle loader for the first time last weeked (obviously, no pistol grip)...	OneTenthofOnePercent	Jan 2012	#113
I wish all criminals would always shoot from the hip	DissedByBush	Jan 2012	#122
dancing	ellisonz	Jan 2012	#210
Isn't it great seeing fun guns being accepted by common shooters across America.	ileus	Jan 2012	#244

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