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Gun Control & RKBA

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4th law of robotics

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5. You throw around the word stats a lot
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 10:56 AM
Oct 2012

but I don't think you know what it means.


Crime has not dropped uniformly; the prevalence of guns does make a difference, and not for the better.


According to your opinion. Not according to reality.


The differences in law enforcement strategies also has not been uniformly successful.


Why is it that when crime goes up that is proof it's all about guns, but when it goes down you guys scramble about to find a thousand other causative agents?


so, yes - more guns has resulted in more gun violence; an example would be the marked increase in shootings - overwhelmingly highly questionable shootings - in stats which have enacted shoot first legislation.



Right, except this is BS. You just made it up. There were no "marked increase in highly questionable shootings" in those states. There were a few highly publicized anecdotes, but that's not the same thing. Just like people who claimed after Aurora that mass shootings are increasing exponentially when really . . . it's staying pretty constant. Big news =/= big trend.

Otherwise we wouldn't have the issues that garnered national attention in the Trayvon Martin shooting.


Yes clearly without guns we wouldn't have anecdotes and people would understand things like statistics, and trends, and significant (in the mathematical sense).

/someone who understands stats: http://boston.com/community/blogs/crime_punishment/2012/08/no_increase_in_mass_shootings.html
Might Makes Wrong [View all] SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
I was wondering how that was going to be spun . . . 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #1
Look at the patterns Dog Gone at Penigma Oct 2012 #3
You throw around the word stats a lot 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #5
"crime has not dropped uniformly" Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #7
You're kinda right glacierbay Oct 2012 #14
Cite your evidence, please. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #28
See post 4 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #41
See post 33. It's even documented. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #52
You mean 45? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #53
Well yeah, that one too. PavePusher Oct 2012 #55
Do you activly support the Brady Campaign or the VPC? oneshooter Oct 2012 #37
It makes for a good rant, ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #2
NO. Dog Gone at Penigma Oct 2012 #4
So rrneck Oct 2012 #6
Of course she does, but if she told you then everybody would know, and then it won't work! oneshooter Oct 2012 #16
Bleed....maybe die. ileus Oct 2012 #20
Several Dog Gone at Penigma Oct 2012 #22
Hasn't been my experience with CC permit holders. glacierbay Oct 2012 #25
You whole attitude here and on your blog MicaelS Oct 2012 #27
I disagree slightly, I think the mindset is like that of some conservatives re HPV vaccine. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #56
One of your biggest mistakes is confusing "unarmed" with "helpless" and "harmless". PavePusher Oct 2012 #31
"Unarmed" is also distinct from "known to be unarmed" Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #35
Correct. glacierbay Oct 2012 #36
You get one chance. rrneck Oct 2012 #38
Not to mention that Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #39
Gun control is never about GUNS.................It's about CONTROL. oneshooter Oct 2012 #42
Yep. There's no such thing as a benign bullet. nt rrneck Oct 2012 #43
wake me up after the trials gejohnston Oct 2012 #47
educate yourself on the issue gejohnston Oct 2012 #11
SYG Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #13
I made no assumptions. ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #15
About Dog Gone at Penigma DWC Oct 2012 #17
Also glacierbay Oct 2012 #18
I don't know... ileus Oct 2012 #24
I don't know either.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #32
Please note: Zimmerman's attorney is using a standard Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #21
Off topic but how do you feel about SM stealing your stuff? NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #29
Stealing may be a little harsh ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #34
Off topic and out of line, typical of your posts. SecularMotion Oct 2012 #40
Feel free to hit the alert button NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #60
Yes ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #58
It's all they have left... ileus Oct 2012 #23
Hollow points and blanks. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #8
I have the right to use lethal force Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #9
Missed it by that much Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #30
Says who? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #10
When you throw around stats and don't even bother to provide any, you lose. rDigital Oct 2012 #12
I'll keep my rights, thanks anyway. ileus Oct 2012 #19
"Shoot first laws"? And you wish to be taken seriously? aikoaiko Oct 2012 #26
Bu-bu-bu-but..... PavePusher Oct 2012 #33
Apparently you weren't Dog Gone at Penigma Oct 2012 #45
So you're comparing all CC Permit holders to this one asshole? glacierbay Oct 2012 #46
Apparently in all that schooling you received 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #48
...or the difference between anecdotes and statistics, as her posts are deficient in the latter. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #49
Pretty much anything with numbers 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #50
No, that's not at all what I'm defending and I dare you to cite to such. PavePusher Oct 2012 #54
Awww now... rrneck Oct 2012 #57
I think this one's already had her quota. PavePusher Oct 2012 #59
In her first week ????? DWC Oct 2012 #61
That never even occurred to me NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #62
Not too sure. rrneck Oct 2012 #63
Canadian? KamaAina Oct 2012 #64
Just savor the aroma. n/t DWC Oct 2012 #65
Actually rrneck Oct 2012 #66
Ummm, yeah... that never happens.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #69
See my thoughts on that here: PavePusher Oct 2012 #68
My CC gun doesn't "print". GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #67
You state ... spin Oct 2012 #44
In many jurisdictions, demonstrably false in the first paragraph. Callisto32 Oct 2012 #51
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