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Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Might Makes Wrong [View all]4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)5. You throw around the word stats a lot
but I don't think you know what it means.
Crime has not dropped uniformly; the prevalence of guns does make a difference, and not for the better.
According to your opinion. Not according to reality.
The differences in law enforcement strategies also has not been uniformly successful.
Why is it that when crime goes up that is proof it's all about guns, but when it goes down you guys scramble about to find a thousand other causative agents?
so, yes - more guns has resulted in more gun violence; an example would be the marked increase in shootings - overwhelmingly highly questionable shootings - in stats which have enacted shoot first legislation.
Right, except this is BS. You just made it up. There were no "marked increase in highly questionable shootings" in those states. There were a few highly publicized anecdotes, but that's not the same thing. Just like people who claimed after Aurora that mass shootings are increasing exponentially when really . . . it's staying pretty constant. Big news =/= big trend.
Otherwise we wouldn't have the issues that garnered national attention in the Trayvon Martin shooting.
Yes clearly without guns we wouldn't have anecdotes and people would understand things like statistics, and trends, and significant (in the mathematical sense).
/someone who understands stats: http://boston.com/community/blogs/crime_punishment/2012/08/no_increase_in_mass_shootings.html
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Of course she does, but if she told you then everybody would know, and then it won't work!
oneshooter
Oct 2012
#16
I disagree slightly, I think the mindset is like that of some conservatives re HPV vaccine.
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2012
#56
One of your biggest mistakes is confusing "unarmed" with "helpless" and "harmless".
PavePusher
Oct 2012
#31
...or the difference between anecdotes and statistics, as her posts are deficient in the latter.
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2012
#49