Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Survivors of Jan. 8 aid gun controls [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)152. Actually, he was specifically talking about a Glock with a 30-round magazine.
A little googling turned up this article, where they actually emailed Gail Collins to clarify.
http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/index.php/home/35-politicsinvesting/2348-what-is-a-high-capacity-clip
We did e-mail Collins to ask her, Did Mr. Helmke expand on what he meant by (the Glock is not suited for personal protection)? What does he consider to be personal protection? And what guns are suitable for that?
Collins responded with an e-mail saying: The reference was to a Glock equipped with a high-capacity clip.
Collins responded with an e-mail saying: The reference was to a Glock equipped with a high-capacity clip.
So, you're wrong. Again. Not too surprising.
Honestly, I'm not really interested in going through the long list of talking points that you picked up on gun blogs and memorized. I picked the first one just to demonstrate that pro-gunners usually can't make it through a sentence without fabricating something. The idea that gun control advocates are consistently dishonest in any way remotely comparable to the NRA is pure fiction, and most of these supposed cases of dishonesty, as this example demonstrated, are at worst exaggerations and more often simply statements like this one that pro-gunners happen to disagree with. But having a different opinion is not the same thing as lying.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
213 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
"make sure people like Loughner are not left unreported, untreated and/or free to roam."
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#3
They may be of that opinion, but they're wrong. Loughner went through the NICS to get his guns.
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#6
Why don't *you* listen to the father of one of the victims, John Green?
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#45
That's from 2 days after the shooting. He practically breaks down crying on the phone
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#46
So some special pleading is more relevant than other special pleading?
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#56
You picked the wrong batch of victims, for the legislation you referred to.
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2012
#115
" If you wish to claim, I approve of a so-called "police state" then you clearly approve of...
PavePusher
Jan 2012
#58
Defining "high capacity" as "anything over 10 rounds" is very intentionally misleading.
benEzra
Jan 2012
#121
You refuse to look at evidence offered, but claim I "have no reasonable objection"
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#36
"Is it any wonder that Chicago attempts desperate measures when all allowed else fails?"
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#44
Looks like Chicago should have adopted Texas-style gun control years ago
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#55
The parents are the reason Loughner wasn't denied the purchase of a firearm.
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2012
#148
Spoken truly like someone who obviously knows nothing about the time n/t
We_Have_A_Problem
Jan 2012
#209
"...as the Attorney General may require..." Pheww. There goes the 5th. As usual. nt
SteveW
Jan 2012
#129
I've no doubt of Prof. Nowak's sincerity, but his proposals will fare as well as...
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#12
How would this new bill have stopped loughner, he went thru the background checks.
rl6214
Jan 2012
#19
Only cares about money? A LOT of NRA backed legislation was passed last year.
GreenStormCloud
Jan 2012
#71
LOL! You couldn't even make it through the first example without fabricating a quote!
DanTex
Jan 2012
#119
Suicides are 'gun violence'? Who knew! Are suicides by hanging 'rope violence'?
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2012
#110
Your failure to recognize the loss of liberty in most gun control laws is why you've been failing.
aikoaiko
Jan 2012
#62
Don't mean to freak you out, but new short barreled shotguns are already legal.
aikoaiko
Jan 2012
#98
It's called a trench coat. Willful denial on your part...just admit - it's shortened in many models.
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#174
Pistol grips provide a more ergonomic grip, and thus better control and safety.
PavePusher
Jan 2012
#102
When you spout off nonsense calling for a safety feature to be banned, you are not protecting the ri
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2012
#111
That's less than $0.25 per NRA member. Paul Helmke costs about $5 per BC member....
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#197
Shame on you! Don't you know that's the *wrong* kind of victim testimony?
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#72
I do not support this bill because it destroys firearm ownership anonymity.
Atypical Liberal
Jan 2012
#161