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Hoyt

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15. Documented by right wing gun groups? There are plenty of scholars who disagree
Sun Jan 8, 2012, 06:11 PM
Jan 2012

with such obviously flawed interpretations.

I think this site lays it out succinctly:
http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_prisoners-rights_drug-law-reform_immigrants-rights/second-amendment

In the future, we need to make sure the make up of the Supreme Court changes so that the next case has a chance of being decided correctly, rather than merely copying/pasting language endorsed by the NRA and right wing gun groups.
A common question to both sides... [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 OP
is there a question in there? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #1
not in my mind discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #2
you are asking for one's personal definition of the word militia? Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #3
While the militia... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #4
but, in my mind Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #5
This is precisely my point. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #6
Definition of "militia" is clear. And, it is not not a bunch of right wingers living in a compound. Hoyt Jan 2012 #7
Discounting.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #8
The definition of militia... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #11
Sorry, but you left out the "well regulated" part. Hoyt Jan 2012 #12
Thank you... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #13
The founders were a bunch of smart white guys who owned slaves Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #58
regarding the Founders discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #60
What does my use of the subjunctive have to do with prescience. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #73
Yup discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #84
Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #114
Let me guess, you slept through history class? Spoonman Jan 2012 #87
Let me guess, you slept through english comprehension. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #89
Feel free to continue Spoonman Jan 2012 #90
If only your "heroes" were around today Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #106
the term has been around for gejohnston Jan 2012 #108
About 100 years. OK Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #112
It has been well documented here what "well regulated" means and it is not what you think rl6214 Jan 2012 #14
Documented by right wing gun groups? There are plenty of scholars who disagree Hoyt Jan 2012 #15
Decided correctly in your mind is the way you want it, not the way the law really is rl6214 Jan 2012 #16
And, the recent decisions haven't accomplished a think in Chicago or DC. Hoyt Jan 2012 #20
That certain local governments fail to comply with the letter and spirit of court decisions ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #22
Apparently the majority in Chicago and DC don't think so. Hoyt Jan 2012 #24
Good thing ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #28
Chicago and DC don't control the nation rl6214 Jan 2012 #29
"Apparently the majority in Chicago and DC don't think so." beevul Jan 2012 #40
Lol, check this.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #26
they think Citizens United v FEC was decided correctly too gejohnston Jan 2012 #18
Well, at least you acknowledge that the SC screws up as they've done recently Hoyt Jan 2012 #19
have fun with that gejohnston Jan 2012 #23
Yes, the ACLU... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #27
When the situation warrants it, ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #17
We'll buy your interpretation for a moment -- then, leave your guns at home until called. Hoyt Jan 2012 #21
The defense of freedom, ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #25
Well, 96% of population does not feel need to strap a gun on to venture out. Hoyt Jan 2012 #31
As long as they don't try to stop the other 4% (assuming your "96%" is accurate) ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #32
We have the right to do a lot of things, but shouldn't -- like carrying guns in public. Hoyt Jan 2012 #33
Whether or not you consider it something we should not do We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #37
Says you ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #38
What i find to be humorous We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #39
Once again, a pro-gunner trying to compare his poor, pitiful gun plight to THE Civil Rights Movement Hoyt Jan 2012 #48
I am not comparing the defense of my right to be armed in public, ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #51
Actually, I would not have defended a cross burning. Hoyt Jan 2012 #63
Yeah, maybe ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #64
I hear you. But would rather folks don't shoot it out in streets. o Hoyt Jan 2012 #65
I don't want shoot outs in the streets ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #82
Really? ellisonz Jan 2012 #66
Correct ObamaFTW2012 Jan 2012 #81
"Well Regulated" - Without the "Hoyt" spin Spoonman Jan 2012 #41
Define working-order in this context of firearms regulation. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #67
I’m certain you feel as though your question Spoonman Jan 2012 #86
I'm certain your patronization doesn't reveal your true character. ellisonz Jan 2012 #92
since women are now allowed to serve in the military Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #76
In UK and USSR gejohnston Jan 2012 #80
We are a country of laws E6-B Jan 2012 #117
Care to share it with us then? jeepnstein Jan 2012 #118
What part of my family isn't my country. ileus Jan 2012 #9
? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #10
What does "well regulated" mean in your opinion? ellisonz Jan 2012 #30
"well regulated" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #34
So then we should have effective regulation? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #42
Did that point even ruffle your hair as it flew over your head? n/t We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #43
To rephrase the 2A: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #44
Means exactly what it says - "well regulated" ellisonz Jan 2012 #46
Your link discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #47
Read the whole thing and tell me what your impression is... ellisonz Jan 2012 #52
In the Swiss model gejohnston Jan 2012 #55
I think this is honestly closer to what the Founders meant... ellisonz Jan 2012 #68
That was the idea to have such an army gejohnston Jan 2012 #70
... ellisonz Jan 2012 #71
bold does not improve gejohnston Jan 2012 #78
Depends how you define people... ellisonz Jan 2012 #79
Most of them were West Germany gejohnston Jan 2012 #85
I'll get back to you on that as well as my reading of Stevens, et al... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #56
Done. ellisonz Jan 2012 #69
I guess you missed this bit, eh? X_Digger Jan 2012 #72
Your argument is incongruous. ellisonz Jan 2012 #74
No, your whining about 'well-regulated' has been dealt with. X_Digger Jan 2012 #83
the people discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #88
" A healthy fear of the people by the government yields freedom." - or Tyranny. ellisonz Jan 2012 #91
How Machiavellian of you to provide that quote ;) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #93
At the same time the Constitution clearly makes treason a punishable offense... ellisonz Jan 2012 #94
"Can we not add to that list?" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #96
Known member of a known hate group or criminal organization... ellisonz Jan 2012 #97
Sure... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #98
So you oppose gang injunctions? ellisonz Jan 2012 #99
I'm with the supreme court in Chicago v. Morales X_Digger Jan 2012 #102
I disagree - their activity in and of itself is intimidating conduct. ellisonz Jan 2012 #103
*gasp* you agree with Scalia?!? X_Digger Jan 2012 #104
Twisting. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #105
In a word... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #113
so you want to base a regulation gejohnston Jan 2012 #100
You're saying opposition to arming... ellisonz Jan 2012 #101
and who defines it gejohnston Jan 2012 #107
Not even going to try to unpack the meaning/facts of any of that...n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #109
simply pointing out gejohnston Jan 2012 #110
Well... ellisonz Jan 2012 #111
To further elaborate... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #45
regulate Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #53
Agreed. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #59
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #35
Milita means an irregular group of civilians voluntarily DWC Jan 2012 #36
heh. irregular, nice choice of adjective there Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #75
So, why doesn't the Constitution start with, "We the militia . . . . ." instead of "we the people." Hoyt Jan 2012 #49
Because the PEOPLE compose the militia. So, why don't... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #50
People are a set, (or group) Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #54
All squirrels are mammals.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #57
Are squirrels in the militia? Sounds to me it's "people" the way you HAVE TO DEFINE IT Hoyt Jan 2012 #61
I bet that point didn't even ruffle your hair as it went right by. n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #62
Hopefully, we'll get a Supreme Court in the next few years that is not so right wing. -- Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #77
It's all one big right-wing conspiracy... ellisonz Jan 2012 #95
" I ask sir, what is a militia? DWC Jan 2012 #115
For a modern spin: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #116
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