Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Kezzy604

(20 posts)
97. It's more than that.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:06 PM
Aug 2012

Tasers and chemical agents aren't non deadly, they are less lethal. People have died from both the use of Tasers, mace and pepper spray. They aren't toys and just because they are the new in thing doesn't make them better. People can fight threw both, there is a reason cops have Tasers, chemical agent and guns. It's always nice having the ability to up the use of force but you have to remember that a strike to the head, neck and face can lead to long term or permanent damage to the brain and spine or death. We have already established that there are many deaths in this country ever year from being attacked with fists and feet.

Yeay!! Confusious Aug 2012 #1
Getting the shit beat out of you because you had the misfortune of being run into rl6214 Aug 2012 #3
I would think that you would have to go to the hospital Confusious Aug 2012 #16
Please highlight for me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #44
Complety missed the point Confusious Aug 2012 #76
My apologies... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #82
Retry Confusious Aug 2012 #88
The case in point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #91
More clearly Confusious Sep 2012 #181
I will accept that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #182
More people are killed by fists then by "assault weapons" hack89 Aug 2012 #4
of course you have to limit it to "assault weapons" Confusious Aug 2012 #15
no gejohnston Aug 2012 #17
death is death Confusious Aug 2012 #20
all of the 745 are murders gejohnston Aug 2012 #22
I never said anything about a gun ban Confusious Aug 2012 #23
he was in his car gejohnston Aug 2012 #24
"If the attacker kept his hands to himself, he wouldn't have gotten shot." DanTex Aug 2012 #41
since you were not there gejohnston Aug 2012 #45
And you are making assumptions too. DanTex Aug 2012 #48
yeah, but I'm putting some thought in to my assumptions gejohnston Aug 2012 #52
So it would have been ok if this man was severely injured or killed Missycim Aug 2012 #58
Regarding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #46
If I am violently assaulted and fear death or serious injury hack89 Aug 2012 #49
That's exactly what I meant by a simplistic good guy vs bad guy world. DanTex Aug 2012 #50
So I should just let him pound me into to a pulp? hack89 Aug 2012 #51
Some situations are simple enough that ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #53
So what should have the man Missycim Aug 2012 #59
Sometimes things really are just that simple. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #63
The good guy is the one in the pickup truck with a gun DBoon Sep 2012 #104
the police seem to think so gejohnston Sep 2012 #106
Did the victim deserve to be assaulted? Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #110
Tasers are legal in 45 states Confusious Aug 2012 #56
So why not just drive away? nt Deep13 Aug 2012 #81
Probably boxed in by traffic. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #95
Some good points. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #178
Tasers & pepper spray Kezzy604 Aug 2012 #70
Nice Confusious Aug 2012 #71
Since when is gejohnston Aug 2012 #77
It's more than that. Kezzy604 Aug 2012 #97
But at least pepper spray and a taser Confusious Sep 2012 #183
"If he had had pepper spray or a taser," ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #177
Punching one's self to death is probably extremely difficult. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #176
More like 745 murders due to hands and feet. hack89 Aug 2012 #18
death is death Confusious Aug 2012 #19
No - self defense is self defense hack89 Aug 2012 #29
How far you wanna take this Confusious Aug 2012 #74
what lawyers call the gejohnston Aug 2012 #80
I guess I'm unreasonable Confusious Aug 2012 #85
it is a legal term gejohnston Aug 2012 #86
If the guy got out of his car Confusious Aug 2012 #90
did you read the article? gejohnston Aug 2012 #92
Leaving the scene is a crime :( n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #93
One punch can kill or maim hack89 Aug 2012 #94
Then why aren't you going on and on about alcohol? beevul Aug 2012 #55
I'm not going on about turtle attacks either Confusious Aug 2012 #73
Good people HAVE NO DUTY TO RETREAT when they are victims of violent crime. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #64
In some places it's the law Confusious Aug 2012 #72
some places, gejohnston Aug 2012 #83
This wasn't a six lane highway Confusious Aug 2012 #87
I looked it up on Google maps gejohnston Aug 2012 #89
Wait a minute... Jenoch Aug 2012 #103
And that's a darn shame. nt Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #109
The point the other poster is making pipoman Sep 2012 #107
Politeness and respect first, getting shot later. ileus Aug 2012 #2
What?! Don't you know violence is the solution to every problem? nt Deep13 Aug 2012 #79
Choices? Hmm! Lemme think Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #5
what would you do gejohnston Aug 2012 #6
4. Grab assailant's arm and drive off slackmaster Aug 2012 #7
How in the Hell did you manage to hold the guy, shift the gears and steer? Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #66
I held his wrist with my left hand and steered with my knees slackmaster Aug 2012 #67
I had the opportunity to do that once and I decided the three dollars being snatched Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #192
The man who attacked me was big, mean, and drunk, tailgate partying in a stadium parking lot slackmaster Sep 2012 #193
Naturally, you kill the cyclist! The point of "defensive gun use" isn't self-protection, silly! DanTex Aug 2012 #8
not a valid answer gejohnston Aug 2012 #11
"The bike rider would have been injured or killed". DanTex Aug 2012 #13
not making up anything gejohnston Aug 2012 #14
Because "you guys" always condemn any defensive gun use.. MicaelS Aug 2012 #21
One wonders why none of them has won the James Randi prize... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #101
This is not defensive gun use DBoon Sep 2012 #105
it is not murder gejohnston Sep 2012 #108
Not murder glacierbay Sep 2012 #115
That's precisely what it is: murder. The Matt Dillon-wannabe had multiple options open apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #116
since you weren't there gejohnston Sep 2012 #117
So, you were an eyewitness to this event, eh? Great! How about... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #118
In point of fact, the Matt Dillon-wannabe had ample opportunity to drive off, apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #119
another invalid point gejohnston Sep 2012 #120
Completely valid, and all the hand-waving in the world don't make it so. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #121
you know this how? gejohnston Sep 2012 #123
"if he were boxed in traffic" - You know this how? Oh, right: you don't. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #125
the cops were gejohnston Sep 2012 #128
Show me where the cops said he was "boxed in." Oh, right, you can't because they didn't. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #129
"if he were boxed in traffic" - Those are your words; your assertion. Back it up. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #130
Doesn't matter gejohnston Sep 2012 #132
"maybe"..."Google Maps"...."you weren't there"..."if"..."maybe" again...now "Doesn't matter." apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #134
you didn't refute anything gejohnston Sep 2012 #138
Oh yes I did: the fact that you can't be bothered to read it or simply are unable to comprehend apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #142
And your evidence is... where? n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #135
"maybe"..."Google Maps"...."you weren't there"... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #122
maybe if you actually understand what gejohnston Sep 2012 #124
"maybe"..."Google Maps"...."you weren't there"..."if"...and then back to "maybe" again... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #126
The pattern is, anytime a gun hero shoots a bad guy... DanTex Sep 2012 #141
Spot-on analysis, all of it. I've seen this kind of bloodlust disguised as concern for "RKBA" apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #144
who's making excuses gejohnston Sep 2012 #148
Here, here...it's not as bad as all that. Just because you've been schooled on the facts and apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #149
I haven't been schooled on any facts gejohnston Sep 2012 #152
Oh yes you have. And the posts are there to prove it, with a simple mouse scroll. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #154
no, you made assumptions without evidence gejohnston Sep 2012 #157
"I simply said what if" apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #161
This stuff truly gets all too easy the longer it goes.... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #162
easy for me because gejohnston Sep 2012 #166
Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #169
"maybe"..."Google Maps"...."you weren't there"..."if"..."maybe" again..."Doesn't matter"... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #163
you are the one making stuff up gejohnston Sep 2012 #165
Now, a heapin' helpin' of Psychological Projection. Textbook. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #167
that for you? gejohnston Sep 2012 #170
Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #171
Cops don't think so glacierbay Sep 2012 #131
Cops don't "think" anything of the sort: they arrested him. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #133
then released him gejohnston Sep 2012 #136
They arrested him. Whether he will be charged will be up to the D.A. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #137
you don't know what murder means gejohnston Sep 2012 #140
Oh yes I do, and this was it. The shooter here should be charged just like Earsland was. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #145
you have no evidence that he had the opportunity gejohnston Sep 2012 #156
He had every opportunity to lock those truck doors, put that vehicle in drive, and hit the gas, apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #159
it is very relevant gejohnston Sep 2012 #164
As he had ample opportunity to retreat, it is not relevant. Period. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #168
I never said he wasn't arrested. glacierbay Sep 2012 #146
No, you just conveniently left that fact out because it doesn't fit your narrative. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #147
Busted? glacierbay Sep 2012 #151
"have a good day" <--Third time I've been bid adieu by you today. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #153
Nope glacierbay Sep 2012 #158
Yep. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #160
Again, good post and spot-on analysis. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #127
So... Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #42
Out of line Kezzy604 Aug 2012 #75
Yay! Amateur psychoanalysis! Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #28
What's the point of having a gun handy if you don't get to use it occasionally? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #194
Choices? No, you can't think! JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #10
So did you think? Clames Aug 2012 #12
ANY OF THOSE CHOICES ARE VALID. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #65
Some bicyclists do stupid things when they're pumped up slackmaster Aug 2012 #9
I don't believe this newspaper Jenoch Aug 2012 #25
He could have threatened to shoot the cyclist DontTreadOnMe Aug 2012 #26
You do not know what you're talking about. MicaelS Aug 2012 #27
Obviously you have never taken a firearm self-defense class slackmaster Aug 2012 #30
"Shoot to wound?" Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #31
I thought all gun nuts were good shots? DontTreadOnMe Aug 2012 #32
it is Hollywood bullshit gejohnston Aug 2012 #35
What Would Neil Degrasse Tyson say? slackmaster Aug 2012 #37
Some are, some aren't. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #38
You don't shoot to kill or to wound.... PavePusher Aug 2012 #33
Shooting to wound... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #47
Shoot to wound is both illegal* and immoral. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #54
At least you were honest enough to admit you are trolling ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #191
what am I missing here? Bicyclists are NOT pedestrians in any state that I'm aware of.... mike_c Aug 2012 #34
Being punched in the head can easily be lethal. PavePusher Aug 2012 #36
I was told before by the admins Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #39
The rule is four paragraphs max. Or at least it used to be. DanTex Aug 2012 #40
there is no more information in the article.... mike_c Aug 2012 #43
The laws vary from state to state. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #96
What if you're fiding the bicycle on the sidewalk? Which rules apply? JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #61
laws vary by state.... mike_c Aug 2012 #62
I bet you know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #69
What, you mean there's another kind of left turn? nt JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #98
I worked in Grand Rapids... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #99
Share the road....and don't attack people when you collide with them. ileus Aug 2012 #57
A few more details JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #60
Wow, seriously misleading title on that report. PavePusher Aug 2012 #68
Let's pretend the driver really had reason to fear for his life. Deep13 Aug 2012 #78
Possibly because he would be running a red light gejohnston Aug 2012 #84
Getting punched in the face didn't affect his aim. Deep13 Aug 2012 #100
can't miss at point blank range gejohnston Aug 2012 #102
He could have. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #111
The cyclist is the victim. Deep13 Sep 2012 #112
read the article gejohnston Sep 2012 #113
You apparently haven't gotten the memo: if you so much as even look cross-eyed apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #114
Punching someone in the face = looking cross eyed? Ok. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #155
Why have you not contacted the authorities in MI with your "knowledege" of this incident? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #172
Matt Dillon??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #173
Heh - you're right. Duly noted. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #174
There are three possible scenarios here, none of them flattering to you. PavePusher Sep 2012 #139
None of your four scenarios are accurate. Deep13 Sep 2012 #184
don't think so gejohnston Sep 2012 #186
The pickup driver did not have... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #179
If true, deadly force is still only legally available... Deep13 Sep 2012 #185
"unarmed" does not mean "incapable of lethal force". PavePusher Sep 2012 #188
If the driver had a reasonable fear for his life glacierbay Sep 2012 #189
in your opinion... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #190
Methinks you need to read the article again. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #187
Head injuries can make a person very violent Deb Sep 2012 #143
possible gejohnston Sep 2012 #150
+1 :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #175
Hard for me to judge this without video. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #180
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Gun Control & RKBA»Bicyclist shot after coll...»Reply #97