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Yeay!! Confusious Aug 2012 #1
Getting the shit beat out of you because you had the misfortune of being run into rl6214 Aug 2012 #3
I would think that you would have to go to the hospital Confusious Aug 2012 #16
Please highlight for me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #44
Complety missed the point Confusious Aug 2012 #76
My apologies... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #82
Retry Confusious Aug 2012 #88
The case in point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #91
More clearly Confusious Sep 2012 #181
I will accept that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #182
More people are killed by fists then by "assault weapons" hack89 Aug 2012 #4
of course you have to limit it to "assault weapons" Confusious Aug 2012 #15
no gejohnston Aug 2012 #17
death is death Confusious Aug 2012 #20
all of the 745 are murders gejohnston Aug 2012 #22
I never said anything about a gun ban Confusious Aug 2012 #23
he was in his car gejohnston Aug 2012 #24
"If the attacker kept his hands to himself, he wouldn't have gotten shot." DanTex Aug 2012 #41
since you were not there gejohnston Aug 2012 #45
And you are making assumptions too. DanTex Aug 2012 #48
yeah, but I'm putting some thought in to my assumptions gejohnston Aug 2012 #52
So it would have been ok if this man was severely injured or killed Missycim Aug 2012 #58
Regarding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #46
If I am violently assaulted and fear death or serious injury hack89 Aug 2012 #49
That's exactly what I meant by a simplistic good guy vs bad guy world. DanTex Aug 2012 #50
So I should just let him pound me into to a pulp? hack89 Aug 2012 #51
Some situations are simple enough that ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #53
So what should have the man Missycim Aug 2012 #59
Sometimes things really are just that simple. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #63
The good guy is the one in the pickup truck with a gun DBoon Sep 2012 #104
the police seem to think so gejohnston Sep 2012 #106
Did the victim deserve to be assaulted? Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #110
Tasers are legal in 45 states Confusious Aug 2012 #56
So why not just drive away? nt Deep13 Aug 2012 #81
Probably boxed in by traffic. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #95
Some good points. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #178
Tasers & pepper spray Kezzy604 Aug 2012 #70
Nice Confusious Aug 2012 #71
Since when is gejohnston Aug 2012 #77
It's more than that. Kezzy604 Aug 2012 #97
But at least pepper spray and a taser Confusious Sep 2012 #183
"If he had had pepper spray or a taser," ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #177
Punching one's self to death is probably extremely difficult. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #176
More like 745 murders due to hands and feet. hack89 Aug 2012 #18
death is death Confusious Aug 2012 #19
No - self defense is self defense hack89 Aug 2012 #29
How far you wanna take this Confusious Aug 2012 #74
what lawyers call the gejohnston Aug 2012 #80
I guess I'm unreasonable Confusious Aug 2012 #85
it is a legal term gejohnston Aug 2012 #86
If the guy got out of his car Confusious Aug 2012 #90
did you read the article? gejohnston Aug 2012 #92
Leaving the scene is a crime :( n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #93
One punch can kill or maim hack89 Aug 2012 #94
Then why aren't you going on and on about alcohol? beevul Aug 2012 #55
I'm not going on about turtle attacks either Confusious Aug 2012 #73
Good people HAVE NO DUTY TO RETREAT when they are victims of violent crime. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #64
In some places it's the law Confusious Aug 2012 #72
some places, gejohnston Aug 2012 #83
This wasn't a six lane highway Confusious Aug 2012 #87
I looked it up on Google maps gejohnston Aug 2012 #89
Wait a minute... Jenoch Aug 2012 #103
And that's a darn shame. nt Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #109
The point the other poster is making pipoman Sep 2012 #107
Politeness and respect first, getting shot later. ileus Aug 2012 #2
What?! Don't you know violence is the solution to every problem? nt Deep13 Aug 2012 #79
Choices? Hmm! Lemme think Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #5
what would you do gejohnston Aug 2012 #6
4. Grab assailant's arm and drive off slackmaster Aug 2012 #7
How in the Hell did you manage to hold the guy, shift the gears and steer? Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #66
I held his wrist with my left hand and steered with my knees slackmaster Aug 2012 #67
I had the opportunity to do that once and I decided the three dollars being snatched Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #192
The man who attacked me was big, mean, and drunk, tailgate partying in a stadium parking lot slackmaster Sep 2012 #193
Naturally, you kill the cyclist! The point of "defensive gun use" isn't self-protection, silly! DanTex Aug 2012 #8
not a valid answer gejohnston Aug 2012 #11
"The bike rider would have been injured or killed". DanTex Aug 2012 #13
not making up anything gejohnston Aug 2012 #14
Because "you guys" always condemn any defensive gun use.. MicaelS Aug 2012 #21
One wonders why none of them has won the James Randi prize... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #101
This is not defensive gun use DBoon Sep 2012 #105
it is not murder gejohnston Sep 2012 #108
Not murder glacierbay Sep 2012 #115
That's precisely what it is: murder. The Matt Dillon-wannabe had multiple options open apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #116
since you weren't there gejohnston Sep 2012 #117
So, you were an eyewitness to this event, eh? Great! How about... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #118
In point of fact, the Matt Dillon-wannabe had ample opportunity to drive off, apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #119
another invalid point gejohnston Sep 2012 #120
Completely valid, and all the hand-waving in the world don't make it so. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #121
you know this how? gejohnston Sep 2012 #123
"if he were boxed in traffic" - You know this how? Oh, right: you don't. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #125
the cops were gejohnston Sep 2012 #128
Show me where the cops said he was "boxed in." Oh, right, you can't because they didn't. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #129
"if he were boxed in traffic" - Those are your words; your assertion. Back it up. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #130
Doesn't matter gejohnston Sep 2012 #132
"maybe"..."Google Maps"...."you weren't there"..."if"..."maybe" again...now "Doesn't matter." apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #134
you didn't refute anything gejohnston Sep 2012 #138
Oh yes I did: the fact that you can't be bothered to read it or simply are unable to comprehend apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #142
And your evidence is... where? n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #135
"maybe"..."Google Maps"...."you weren't there"... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #122
maybe if you actually understand what gejohnston Sep 2012 #124
"maybe"..."Google Maps"...."you weren't there"..."if"...and then back to "maybe" again... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #126
The pattern is, anytime a gun hero shoots a bad guy... DanTex Sep 2012 #141
Spot-on analysis, all of it. I've seen this kind of bloodlust disguised as concern for "RKBA" apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #144
who's making excuses gejohnston Sep 2012 #148
Here, here...it's not as bad as all that. Just because you've been schooled on the facts and apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #149
I haven't been schooled on any facts gejohnston Sep 2012 #152
Oh yes you have. And the posts are there to prove it, with a simple mouse scroll. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #154
no, you made assumptions without evidence gejohnston Sep 2012 #157
"I simply said what if" apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #161
This stuff truly gets all too easy the longer it goes.... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #162
easy for me because gejohnston Sep 2012 #166
Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #169
"maybe"..."Google Maps"...."you weren't there"..."if"..."maybe" again..."Doesn't matter"... apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #163
you are the one making stuff up gejohnston Sep 2012 #165
Now, a heapin' helpin' of Psychological Projection. Textbook. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #167
that for you? gejohnston Sep 2012 #170
Uh-huh. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #171
Cops don't think so glacierbay Sep 2012 #131
Cops don't "think" anything of the sort: they arrested him. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #133
then released him gejohnston Sep 2012 #136
They arrested him. Whether he will be charged will be up to the D.A. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #137
you don't know what murder means gejohnston Sep 2012 #140
Oh yes I do, and this was it. The shooter here should be charged just like Earsland was. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #145
you have no evidence that he had the opportunity gejohnston Sep 2012 #156
He had every opportunity to lock those truck doors, put that vehicle in drive, and hit the gas, apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #159
it is very relevant gejohnston Sep 2012 #164
As he had ample opportunity to retreat, it is not relevant. Period. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #168
I never said he wasn't arrested. glacierbay Sep 2012 #146
No, you just conveniently left that fact out because it doesn't fit your narrative. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #147
Busted? glacierbay Sep 2012 #151
"have a good day" <--Third time I've been bid adieu by you today. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #153
Nope glacierbay Sep 2012 #158
Yep. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #160
Again, good post and spot-on analysis. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #127
So... Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #42
Out of line Kezzy604 Aug 2012 #75
Yay! Amateur psychoanalysis! Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #28
What's the point of having a gun handy if you don't get to use it occasionally? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #194
Choices? No, you can't think! JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #10
So did you think? Clames Aug 2012 #12
ANY OF THOSE CHOICES ARE VALID. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #65
Some bicyclists do stupid things when they're pumped up slackmaster Aug 2012 #9
I don't believe this newspaper Jenoch Aug 2012 #25
He could have threatened to shoot the cyclist DontTreadOnMe Aug 2012 #26
You do not know what you're talking about. MicaelS Aug 2012 #27
Obviously you have never taken a firearm self-defense class slackmaster Aug 2012 #30
"Shoot to wound?" Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #31
I thought all gun nuts were good shots? DontTreadOnMe Aug 2012 #32
it is Hollywood bullshit gejohnston Aug 2012 #35
What Would Neil Degrasse Tyson say? slackmaster Aug 2012 #37
Some are, some aren't. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #38
You don't shoot to kill or to wound.... PavePusher Aug 2012 #33
Shooting to wound... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #47
Shoot to wound is both illegal* and immoral. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #54
At least you were honest enough to admit you are trolling ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #191
what am I missing here? Bicyclists are NOT pedestrians in any state that I'm aware of.... mike_c Aug 2012 #34
Being punched in the head can easily be lethal. PavePusher Aug 2012 #36
I was told before by the admins Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #39
The rule is four paragraphs max. Or at least it used to be. DanTex Aug 2012 #40
there is no more information in the article.... mike_c Aug 2012 #43
The laws vary from state to state. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #96
What if you're fiding the bicycle on the sidewalk? Which rules apply? JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #61
laws vary by state.... mike_c Aug 2012 #62
I bet you know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #69
What, you mean there's another kind of left turn? nt JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #98
I worked in Grand Rapids... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #99
Share the road....and don't attack people when you collide with them. ileus Aug 2012 #57
A few more details JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #60
Wow, seriously misleading title on that report. PavePusher Aug 2012 #68
Let's pretend the driver really had reason to fear for his life. Deep13 Aug 2012 #78
Possibly because he would be running a red light gejohnston Aug 2012 #84
Getting punched in the face didn't affect his aim. Deep13 Aug 2012 #100
can't miss at point blank range gejohnston Aug 2012 #102
He could have. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #111
The cyclist is the victim. Deep13 Sep 2012 #112
read the article gejohnston Sep 2012 #113
You apparently haven't gotten the memo: if you so much as even look cross-eyed apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #114
Punching someone in the face = looking cross eyed? Ok. nt hack89 Sep 2012 #155
Why have you not contacted the authorities in MI with your "knowledege" of this incident? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #172
Matt Dillon??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #173
Heh - you're right. Duly noted. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #174
There are three possible scenarios here, none of them flattering to you. PavePusher Sep 2012 #139
None of your four scenarios are accurate. Deep13 Sep 2012 #184
don't think so gejohnston Sep 2012 #186
The pickup driver did not have... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #179
If true, deadly force is still only legally available... Deep13 Sep 2012 #185
"unarmed" does not mean "incapable of lethal force". PavePusher Sep 2012 #188
If the driver had a reasonable fear for his life glacierbay Sep 2012 #189
in your opinion... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #190
Methinks you need to read the article again. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #187
Head injuries can make a person very violent Deb Sep 2012 #143
possible gejohnston Sep 2012 #150
+1 :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #175
Hard for me to judge this without video. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #180
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