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friendly_iconoclast

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30. And efficacy can only be determined in retrospect, and reasonableness is subjective.
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 03:19 PM
Jan 2012

I'd argue the only measure for efficacy of firearms law can be crime rates. Certainly, I'd find it annoying to have to go get fingerprinted by the local constabulary in order to buy a rifle or shotgun, but my annoyance is tempered by two things: 1) If I'm not disqualified under law, I will get a firearms ID card
(as would any other Massachusetts adult) , and 2) There's a low rate of gun crime in general, and long gun crime in particular in Massachusetts.

The FID card requirement for long guns may or may not be effective, as many other states that don't have it have similarly low rates of crime involving
long guns. But it is transparent, objective and minimally intrusive, so it's unobjectionable on Constitutional grounds.

When in doubt, pile on ever more restrictions... SteveW Jan 2012 #1
Ah the gun laws in the western civilized nations rl6214 Jan 2012 #2
As for Benjamin Barnes, so for Michael Atherton. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #3
well, I'll say exactly what I said in the thread iverglas Jan 2012 #4
But let's be accurate. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #6
perhaps you would ask iverglas Jan 2012 #8
I will... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #11
I dunno iverglas Jan 2012 #12
As I expected... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #13
but not actually iverglas Jan 2012 #15
This is where any new work needs to start. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #27
And that "careful screening" will not occur, as firearms possession has now gotten... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #7
what is the basis for this repeated assertion? iverglas Jan 2012 #9
And efficacy can only be determined in retrospect, and reasonableness is subjective. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #30
round and round and round iverglas Jan 2012 #31
love your citation iverglas Jan 2012 #5
A law is only as effective as its enforcement Euromutt Jan 2012 #10
The police then need more oversight/and or funding. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #16
The police need more oversight, lest... lest what? Euromutt Jan 2012 #19
Lest they ineffectively enforce the firearms permitting laws. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #24
What's noteworthy about this story is that in England, this is actually a noteworthy story. DanTex Jan 2012 #14
+1000 ellisonz Jan 2012 #17
Can we say "post hoc ergo propter hoc"? Euromutt Jan 2012 #20
The "usual objections"... DanTex Jan 2012 #21
Simply put Dan.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #22
Yes, facts are facts. DanTex Jan 2012 #23
I can make the distinction quite easily We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #25
How much of our murder rate is skewed by drug violence? hack89 Jan 2012 #26
why do you imply this is not true of other comparable countries? iverglas Jan 2012 #33
So lets fix that problem first - more bang for the buck hack89 Jan 2012 #34
a site that may be of interest iverglas Jan 2012 #29
more likely gejohnston Jan 2012 #18
I meant to say that iverglas Jan 2012 #28
There are options... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #32
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