Gun Control & RKBA

friendly_iconoclast

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113. I'm sorry, but including "risk factors" as a criteria is entirely too subjective.

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 03:01 PM

Jan 2012

If you find this will impede what you deem to be effective, well- too bad.

The problem with the notion of "risk" that is that authorities have used it to simply deny anything they don't like- and firearms permits are simply a subset.

Denying access to public records due to "risk" to privacy? Ask the Seattle Police Department about that one:

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Seattle-suing-attorney-over-dash-cam-videos-136707268.html

Denial of parade permits due to a "risk" to public safety? Examples too numerous to mention.

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Police: Body found at US park is that of gunman [View all] ellisonz Jan 2012 OP

i am just so sad by this story. i know that i am suppose to be angry at this man. seabeyond Jan 2012 #1

For fucks sake, we don't have cooties. PavePusher Jan 2012 #3

for fuck sake, lol..... it is a gun issue wish was not how i addressed the post seabeyond Jan 2012 #4

There's nothing wrong with expressing sympathy for the victim, or even AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #56

that is how i see it. we have gotten to know him a tad better seabeyond Jan 2012 #64

Yea, but you've got guns and carry them in public. Hoyt Jan 2012 #26

Your record is still broken. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #66

MSM called him a "survivalist" rathern than face up to how he became a murderer... SteveW Jan 2012 #78

check out post 3. that is why i dont come into this forum. seabeyond Jan 2012 #81

But here you are again. DonP Jan 2012 #84

yes. and again... because in my book, i almost feel it rude not to reply to a person. seabeyond Jan 2012 #86

Okay, I respect your position... SteveW Jan 2012 #90

respectfully, i disagree. lol, i do mean respectfully. poster #3 GUESSED and MADE UP (as you are) seabeyond Jan 2012 #96

Okay, I understand now. Thanks for your reply. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #97

Please accept a collective apology DonP Jan 2012 #101

thank you. what i have found does it is, i read latest page seabeyond Jan 2012 #102

Thanks for the meaningless drive-by! Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #2

I'm betting you didn't read the full article... ellisonz Jan 2012 #7

Well then, you lost that bet. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #8

You're being trite... ellisonz Jan 2012 #10

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How should other posters take... ellisonz Jan 2012 #15

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #22

Sounds like you just don't like... ellisonz Jan 2012 #23

I don't have any problem with differing opinions. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #24

I'm missing the relevant issue? AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #67

Without speculation.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #68

did he have a restraining order against him? iverglas Jan 2012 #74

'obsession' difficult to define. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #76

but ya sure do know it when ya see it! iverglas Jan 2012 #93

I agree. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #104

but you would have to agree iverglas Jan 2012 #107

Yeah, so much for his being a "survivalist" as claimed in other forums. PavePusher Jan 2012 #5

"Fuck him." ellisonz Jan 2012 #19

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No protect my right at all costs. ileus Jan 2012 #25

You'll see guys like him in any gun store in this country. And you guys want him to carry in public. Hoyt Jan 2012 #27

And who are "you guys"? Got a link to a thread where someone said that? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #30

I'm sure he hangs out in a lot of gun stores too DonP Jan 2012 #32

it's really quite clear, is it not? iverglas Jan 2012 #40

*I* certainly wouldn't have wanted him to carry, as he was obviously deranged. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #44

one intends the foreseeable consequences of one's actions iverglas Jan 2012 #52

Being in a custody dispute is not reason to have firearms possession taken away rl6214 Jan 2012 #54

there we go iverglas Jan 2012 #69

Your quote rl6214 Jan 2012 #70

maybe somebody could offer a logic/rhetoric course here iverglas Jan 2012 #71

Without reading that extremely long, extremely bory answer I'll just say rl6214 Jan 2012 #89

if you're not going to read what I post iverglas Jan 2012 #95

That would be prior restraint, and it's something generally frowned upon. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #77

all prohibitions on firearms acquisition/possession are "prior restraint" iverglas Jan 2012 #82

Ah, but since it's now a protected right, a higher standard prevails friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #88

And sometimes, the precautions simply don't work. See one Michael Atherton, for example: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #94

if what now? iverglas Jan 2012 #99

Where did he get his gun(s)? rl6214 Jan 2012 #53

why are you asking me? iverglas Jan 2012 #72

You posted the information about a shooting in Canada rl6214 Jan 2012 #87

pardon me, I hadn't realized the subject was changed iverglas Jan 2012 #91

I'd point out that firearms categories are not congruent in our two countries. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #100

go right ahead iverglas Jan 2012 #103

I've no inherent objection to mandatory licensing, as it's used here in Massachusetts. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #106

please don't put words in my mouth iverglas Jan 2012 #108

I'm sorry, but including "risk factors" as a criteria is entirely too subjective. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #113

well, you may need to understand administrative law better iverglas Jan 2012 #114

You should pick a better class of gun stores to hang about in. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #34

You mean mid-20's in-shape white guys? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #35

dosen't look like anyone i've seen in any gun stores around here rl6214 Jan 2012 #55

Well yeah... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #57

Project much? AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #63

Well at least he took one of the "Jack-booted thugs" with him. Buzz cook Jan 2012 #6

a real person iverglas Jan 2012 #85

So in otherwords, words to the wise would be rl6214 Jan 2012 #9

What does this "current events" post have to do with the topics of the Guns discussion group? slackmaster Jan 2012 #11

I would post discussion questions... ellisonz Jan 2012 #12

Yes, it *is* telling. It tells me that veterans need better aftercare. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #17

Oy Vey ellisonz Jan 2012 #18

You know it's possible to post questions or opinion AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #58

you say this, à propos of ... iverglas Jan 2012 #73

This is a continuing conversation between myself and the poster. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #75

A discussion question... ellisonz Jan 2012 #79

Just to point out billh58 Jan 2012 #48

The post would be a much better contribution if it included even a minimal editorial remark in OP slackmaster Jan 2012 #49

That may be true, billh58 Jan 2012 #80

People with strong views on any subject tend to be the ones most likely to engage in discussions slackmaster Jan 2012 #83

In political science, the term for "strong views" is "militancy," like stuffing envelopes. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #92

I'll beg to differ iverglas Jan 2012 #105

Yes, you are billh58 Jan 2012 #109

I'm heralding a return to the days of yore iverglas Jan 2012 #110

The "Doesn't Get It" award goes to ... Straw Man Jan 2012 #13

And a shotgun was used, not a handgun. The law was irrelevant. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #16

Not wholly irrelevant, but largely so Euromutt Jan 2012 #111

Stop bringing up facts like that We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #112

I'd like to have a saiga 12. ileus Jan 2012 #20

Why do members of "gun culture" always covet guns killers like this guy use? Hoyt Jan 2012 #28

Still trying to get that moral panic going, eh? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #29

Just wondering why poster wants one of those guns so bad, and why in hell he would post it here. Hoyt Jan 2012 #31

Admittedly, his timing could have been better. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #33

I heard "high-powered rifle" DissedByBush Jan 2012 #43

Probably because.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #36

That's the kind of gunner I know-- talking about guns and crud over victim's grave? Hoyt Jan 2012 #41

Like i said.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #98

I'd like to have one while they're still down 200 bucks from late last year. ileus Jan 2012 #38

And they are popular among those who pose in front of mirror before shooting a woman. Hoyt Jan 2012 #42

And computers are popular amongst those who trade child pornography, run botnets... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #45

But I did not go shopping for computer used upon report of awful crime. Hoyt Jan 2012 #46

gun killer ....was that his Native American name? ileus Jan 2012 #47

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #51

It's not very nice of you to call out jpak like that petronius Jan 2012 #39

oops. lol good catch. ileus Jan 2012 #61

naw...we've been talking AR'S for coyote hunting. oh and trading... ileus Jan 2012 #65

The desire to own something does not mean you "covet" it. rl6214 Jan 2012 #59

I live where two National Forests come together. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #60

May I suggest Fourier Jan 2012 #37

What was that number again? ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #50

Should probably replace Bill Wade with someone that has two brain cells to rub together. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #62