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In reply to the discussion: (UK) Horden shootings: killer held six gun licences [View all]iverglas
(38,549 posts)29. a site that may be of interest
http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html
2011 homicides in the UK. (Seems to exclude Northern Ireland.)
Select weapon=gun and you get 33 events, 2 of which were "policing" related. (I believe it has been updated since I was there yesterday or the day before, to account for the Atherton event.)
You can click on each one on the map to see the details of the event. Most in the list say "Don't know" for motive, but clicking randomly in the London area, you will find that most victims are young black men, suggesting that the circumstances are similar to those of many firearms homicides in the US.
So that's 31 firearms homicides in a population of roughly 60 million. Say 1/5.5 of the US -- which would produce a total of roughly 170 if the rate were the same in the US as there. The actual annual number in the US is more like 10,000.
So the ratio is something like 58:1. Difficult even to picture -- that the US has more than 50 times the number of firearms homicides, per capita, than the UK. At the US rate, the UK would have had about 1800 firearms homicides rather than 31.
There were 170 firearms homicides in Canada in 2010. With a population roughly 1/9 the US, we would have had over 1000 firearms homicides, at the US rate, and the US had over 1500, at the Canadian rate.
2011 homicides in the UK. (Seems to exclude Northern Ireland.)
Select weapon=gun and you get 33 events, 2 of which were "policing" related. (I believe it has been updated since I was there yesterday or the day before, to account for the Atherton event.)
You can click on each one on the map to see the details of the event. Most in the list say "Don't know" for motive, but clicking randomly in the London area, you will find that most victims are young black men, suggesting that the circumstances are similar to those of many firearms homicides in the US.
So that's 31 firearms homicides in a population of roughly 60 million. Say 1/5.5 of the US -- which would produce a total of roughly 170 if the rate were the same in the US as there. The actual annual number in the US is more like 10,000.
So the ratio is something like 58:1. Difficult even to picture -- that the US has more than 50 times the number of firearms homicides, per capita, than the UK. At the US rate, the UK would have had about 1800 firearms homicides rather than 31.
There were 170 firearms homicides in Canada in 2010. With a population roughly 1/9 the US, we would have had over 1000 firearms homicides, at the US rate, and the US had over 1500, at the Canadian rate.
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And that "careful screening" will not occur, as firearms possession has now gotten...
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#7
And efficacy can only be determined in retrospect, and reasonableness is subjective.
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#30