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Gun ownership up, crime down [View all] rDigital Aug 2012 OP
Well, if it isn't right-wing propaganda from the good old Washington Times! DanTex Aug 2012 #1
Nice dodge rDigital Aug 2012 #2
LOL. The issue is that you are posting right-wing propaganda! DanTex Aug 2012 #3
Umm discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #5
Thread disruption? The OP is an article from the Washington Times! DanTex Aug 2012 #6
While some may... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #9
Ever watch C SPAN Washington Journal? gejohnston Aug 2012 #15
Instead of bashing the source Missycim Aug 2012 #66
can you dispute the FBI statistic? gejohnston Aug 2012 #8
Come on, you know the FBI is funded by the NRA! nt Remmah2 Aug 2012 #96
What about the CDC and the BATFE? nt rDigital Sep 2012 #121
The FBI's UCR is RW propoganda? Equate Aug 2012 #20
FBI spelled backwards is NRA. nt Remmah2 Aug 2012 #84
So that's it. Equate Aug 2012 #85
I've never known numbers to carry a political bias 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #26
Really, I've known many that did. Pholus Aug 2012 #56
No you haven't 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #93
Numbers are synthesized, hence they can be political. Pholus Aug 2012 #98
Could you tell me the political slant of 4? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #99
Well, 6 is afraid of 7.... Pholus Aug 2012 #102
No, my dear Pholus 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #105
An understanding of real data is NEVER embarassing, thanks. Pholus Aug 2012 #109
Hmmmmm... TPaine7 Aug 2012 #30
I think I agree with Tex rock Aug 2012 #87
Washington Times spelled backwards is FOX? nt Remmah2 Aug 2012 #95
Looks like better law enforcement, surveillance, aging population, etc., is working. Hoyt Aug 2012 #4
Awesome 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #27
Ask families of victims of Zim, Stawicki, Loughner, Holmes and unreported intimidation by Hoyt Aug 2012 #38
Appeal to emotion 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #41
Every ad that helped sell you a gun, appealed to your emotions. Hoyt Aug 2012 #42
Not really. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #43
A perfect application of your definition: Pholus Aug 2012 #67
However if skyrocketing gun ownership and concealed carry were large factors in the equation ... spin Aug 2012 #89
Cut and pasted NRA Talking points? Easily refuted.... Pholus Aug 2012 #7
But we can say that more guns did not lead to more violence, correct? hack89 Aug 2012 #10
Way to divert, but sorry that isn't the point of the OP. Pholus Aug 2012 #14
The problem everyone who legally buys a gun is a responsible gun-owner Homer12 Aug 2012 #16
And everyone who buys a car Equate Aug 2012 #21
At least the car driver had training. Pholus Aug 2012 #51
Which has nothing to do with my comment. Equate Aug 2012 #74
Perhaps the poorly written OP should have considered that instead. Pholus Aug 2012 #75
Ok, I'll concede that Equate Aug 2012 #76
You've stated a reasonable hypothesis. Pholus Aug 2012 #78
Very good post Equate Aug 2012 #81
So the problem is complicated, to say the least. Pholus Aug 2012 #97
I like your sentence 3 Equate Aug 2012 #107
As do I! Pholus Aug 2012 #111
Then why so many teenage driving related deaths? Remmah2 Aug 2012 #86
Who says the car driver "actually took a competency test first that had consequences for failure"? Jenoch Aug 2012 #103
Yes and the penalties are probably way too light. Pholus Aug 2012 #104
How about letting non violent drug offenders out on probation Equate Aug 2012 #108
As could I... nt Pholus Aug 2012 #112
Recently, Zimmy, Stawicki, Loughner, not sure about Holmes, good examples. Hoyt Aug 2012 #44
Eastwood and Bronson come to mind... Pholus Aug 2012 #52
That's not true. Jenoch Aug 2012 #106
Clearly the reasons for historically low levels of gun violence are many hack89 Aug 2012 #18
Actually, my magic rock is what protected us. Pholus Aug 2012 #47
So you have one of those too? Mine is grey with red specks. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #61
Yours sounds awesome! Nope mine is deep red with embedded quartz... Pholus Aug 2012 #64
and tigers. As well as dinosaurs. Pholus Aug 2012 #65
Damn Equate Aug 2012 #110
Where is this *only* coming from? TPaine7 Aug 2012 #24
Oooooh, Mr. Lawyer! What a brilliant loophole you found! Pholus Aug 2012 #49
You emphasized the "only" concept. TPaine7 Aug 2012 #113
Perhaps. You're weaving yourself quite nicely. Pholus Aug 2012 #114
You know what, I think you have a point. TPaine7 Aug 2012 #115
And I am sorry... Pholus Aug 2012 #117
No problem. No problem whatsoever. TPaine7 Aug 2012 #119
Every anecdote involving gun violence is proof that guns are the problems 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #28
Part of problem, and one big enough to need some change. Hoyt Aug 2012 #45
Wow, you get it! Pholus Aug 2012 #50
Not at all necessary ... spin Aug 2012 #91
I'll get right on that... Pholus Aug 2012 #101
No problem. (n/t) spin Aug 2012 #116
It forgot to mention that Mass Murder is up Homer12 Aug 2012 #11
rare events are anecdotes gejohnston Aug 2012 #17
Tell that to CERN... Pholus Aug 2012 #62
Do you remember a few years back when we had an epidemic of pretty white girls being kidnapped? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #29
And home invasions are down thanks to semi-autos capable of repelling multiple assailants. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #83
Will Rdigital champion the 2nd Adm rights of Mass Murderers? Homer12 Aug 2012 #12
waiting.... Homer12 Aug 2012 #13
Will Homer12 treat every American as a potential Mass Murderer? hack89 Aug 2012 #19
Are all gun owners guilty (????)until proven innocent? nt rDigital Aug 2012 #22
When they occupy the same room as me, yes. Pholus Aug 2012 #53
Must be nice Missycim Aug 2012 #69
I'm describing risk mitigation. Sorry you take it personally. Pholus Aug 2012 #70
Dont flatter yourself Missycim Aug 2012 #71
That's why we wouldn't meet in real life. I have standards. Pholus Aug 2012 #72
I dont seek Missycim Aug 2012 #73
If you were in the same room as me, Equate Aug 2012 #79
Ahh, but that merely marks you as more sane. Pholus Aug 2012 #80
And I have nothing but contempt for people like that Equate Aug 2012 #82
And based on *that* statement... Pholus Aug 2012 #100
Gun rights are not a partisan issue rDigital Aug 2012 #23
we are also getting more obese . . . I think that leads to less crime DrDan Aug 2012 #36
Interesting. I'd never thought of that, but it's probably a factor. Thanks! n/t TPaine7 Aug 2012 #37
Good point. Equate Aug 2012 #39
Crime down, gun ownership up. Bonhomme Richard Aug 2012 #25
so . . . do you think that the reason for this decrease is because of the increase in guns? DrDan Aug 2012 #31
Are the two statistics connected? JohnnyRingo Aug 2012 #32
The only thing that is clear is that more guns do not equal more violence hack89 Aug 2012 #40
I recall the argument in 2004 JohnnyRingo Aug 2012 #48
Thank you for writing that! Pholus Aug 2012 #55
I don't believe that more guns led to less gun violence hack89 Aug 2012 #68
that logic is SIMPLY BOGUS DrDan Aug 2012 #58
But we live in a less violent society by every measure hack89 Aug 2012 #63
Just don't go to the movies. liberal N proud Aug 2012 #33
College enrollment up, crime rates down. Arctic Dave Aug 2012 #34
I personally think more guns lead to obesity DrDan Aug 2012 #35
If someone were to make the argument that more ice cream necessarily means more crime 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #46
Only if you have a single independent variable. Pholus Aug 2012 #54
In this scenaro they have claimed it is only about the ice-cream 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #92
Hmm loansstore Aug 2012 #57
During this same time frame, 25 years. the eradication of Lead in the environment WCGreen Aug 2012 #59
Thank you! That is now number 8 on my list! Pholus Aug 2012 #60
Older Housing/Older Neighborhoods; Poverty Sucks Remmah2 Aug 2012 #88
with just a small chunk of that $800+ gejohnston Aug 2012 #90
I'd like to see the old neighborhoods torn down. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #94
The sun is up and the cock roaches scurry. Lint Head Aug 2012 #77
Wow bongbong Aug 2012 #118
The main premise rDigital Aug 2012 #120
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