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26. Most states that allow semiautomatic rifles to be used for hunting game such a deer ...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 12:24 PM
Aug 2012

limit the size of the magazine to five rounds. I believe that in some states you can use a higher capacity magazine while hunting pests such as feral hogs.

I'm not a hunter but I have listened to many discuss their sport. Obviously the first shot is the most important but if a hunter does not drop his game with his first shot there may be some value to to rapid follow up shot or possibly two.

I understand NRA opposition to using the Terrorist Watch List to determine if a person should be allowed to buy a firearm. If it were an accurate list the NRA might have a different view. However even the New York Times has problems with the list.

Editorial
Antiterror Measures at Home
Published: October 1, 2011

One of the bitter lessons of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, was the need for better coordination and sharing of intelligence among the nation’s security agencies, to flag dangerous people entering the country. But there were also well-founded concerns about how well that system was working, and whether it was being abused.

Ten years later, files released by the F.B.I. under the Freedom of Information Act show that the government’s bloated terrorist watch list remains a flawed security tool in need of greater transparency and accountability. There are longstanding concerns about implementation and accuracy, including the omission of names from the list that properly belong there. There also has been a persistent problem of flagging the wrong people — including an 8-year-old and at least one senator — who then have serious trouble getting their names removed.

The 91 pages of newly disclosed files, described by The Times’s Charlie Savage last week, included a December 2010 memorandum to F.B.I. field offices revealing that even a not-guilty verdict may not always be enough to get someone off the list, if agents retain “reasonable suspicion” that the person might have ties to terrorism.

***snip***

But the unwieldy size of the database raises doubts. So does the disturbing absence of procedures to notify people who are on the watch list, or to give them a chance to see and challenge allegations against them. Inclusion on the watch list can keep people off planes, subject them to delays and extra invasive scrutiny at airports, traffic stops and border crossings, and prevent noncitizens from entering the country.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/opinion/sunday/antiterror-measures-at-home.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss


That's obvious to anyone who has ever flipped through a copy of American Rifleman or American Hunter slackmaster Aug 2012 #1
Typical Fudd. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #2
Remember, *his* deadly weapons are somehow 'nicer' than "*those* peoples" deadly weapons... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #10
Problem is -- we do understand why you want access to "other firearms. " That's main reason for Hoyt Aug 2012 #63
Yes, and why you and people like you are failing at the legislative process. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #75
The 4.3 million member are fairly happy with the NRA's representation of them. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #3
Does anyone admit to belonging to the NRA? TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #6
Several, including myself, have posted that we are members. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #8
+1 OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #17
+2 nt virginia mountainman Aug 2012 #21
So you support an organization intent on defeating Obama and advancing right wing causes not even Hoyt Aug 2012 #30
You still haven't been able to prove this statement. rl6214 Aug 2012 #37
Exercise you mind by looking at NRA leadership, then look up money they give to buy support. Hoyt Aug 2012 #38
You are the one making the statement and, by your own words should be the one providing proof rl6214 Aug 2012 #46
The NRA takes no stance on those other issues. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #39
+3 rDigital Aug 2012 #35
more admit to being NRA members than gejohnston Aug 2012 #9
Are you an NRA member? TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #13
No, but I'm not a member of AAA either. gejohnston Aug 2012 #14
AAA? TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #18
not much of a joiner gejohnston Aug 2012 #20
Yeah, cars, and bathub falls and pool drownings.............. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #22
not strawmen nor red herrings when your side rants about accidents but gejohnston Aug 2012 #24
Right. it's not. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #25
Yes I am. Certified Rifle instructor,Certified pistol instructor, Range officer, oneshooter Aug 2012 #43
Um, TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #47
I am addressing you. Hoyt just likes to butt in. oneshooter Aug 2012 #84
Butt in? TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #86
Oneshooter, fact folks who view guns like you are instructing is another reason to oppose toting. Hoyt Aug 2012 #66
You are being disingenuous Jenoch Aug 2012 #69
He's also on record as being all for shooting teenagers in the back while they're running Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #81
You talking about ARMED sammy weaver, who his dad hid behind while evading federal marshals? Hoyt Aug 2012 #88
none of that is relevant gejohnston Aug 2012 #89
Once again you have failed to answer a question posed to you. oneshooter Aug 2012 #87
I've belonged to the NRA for probably 40 years. ... spin Aug 2012 #28
Raises Hand Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #32
Lifetime member Travis_0004 Aug 2012 #42
I am a Member of the NRA holdencaufield Aug 2012 #64
how big of a hassle is it to have a gejohnston Aug 2012 #65
Paperwork takes almost a year holdencaufield Aug 2012 #67
We should aspire to Australia's laws - of course, many gun cultists couldn't handle it. Hoyt Aug 2012 #71
Who should lead the fight Jenoch Aug 2012 #74
What it doesn't realize is... holdencaufield Aug 2012 #72
Other than you and a few others, sounds like vast majority of citizens are satisfied with laws. Hoyt Aug 2012 #80
How do you draw THAT conclusion? NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #82
It sees what it wants to see. NT holdencaufield Aug 2012 #85
The retailers like Walmart as well cadmium Aug 2012 #4
Why do Jenoch Aug 2012 #5
While i don't Oneka Aug 2012 #7
Why do gun grabbers Missycim Aug 2012 #11
Congrescritters sre pretty cheap. rrneck Aug 2012 #12
A year or so ago there was a chart roaming around with pipoman Aug 2012 #73
Ever notice how gun sales and the NRA's popularity all go up whenever some politician even hints 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #15
It's funny, and sad, how some hunters think they are somehow a majority of gun owners benEzra Aug 2012 #16
Oh, well, if Michael F. McNulty said it then it MUST be fact!!!! HALO141 Aug 2012 #19
Nope, your simply wrong...again... virginia mountainman Aug 2012 #23
Most states that allow semiautomatic rifles to be used for hunting game such a deer ... spin Aug 2012 #26
Quite obvious, but expect its wind-up doll defenders on this site to claim otherwise... villager Aug 2012 #27
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. ... spin Aug 2012 #31
Except, repeating this mantra is part of that "wind-up doll" rhetoric I was talking about villager Aug 2012 #48
Here's what many NRA members feel ... spin Aug 2012 #49
It's like being a "sensible" Republican. The "party apparatus" you're in will never allow policies villager Aug 2012 #53
I support many of the training programs that the NRA offers ... spin Aug 2012 #54
So the NRA blocking funding of studies on gun violence wasn't enough? villager Aug 2012 #55
actually they don't gejohnston Aug 2012 #56
The CDC studies have been strongly biased against guns. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #57
Yes, only the NRA -- not the CDC! -- can be trusted to talk "honestly" about guns! villager Aug 2012 #58
false choice gejohnston Aug 2012 #59
false post villager Aug 2012 #60
op eds don't count gejohnston Aug 2012 #61
Indeed. Neither does "to the best of your knowledge" villager Aug 2012 #70
there are no automatic apologies gejohnston Aug 2012 #76
And of course, to the NRA, all research contradicting their world views is "advocacy" villager Aug 2012 #77
research or results? gejohnston Aug 2012 #78
So you agree then the NRA should quit trying to block other studies and let the results villager Aug 2012 #79
not what the law says gejohnston Aug 2012 #83
What is false about his post? GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #68
We love our vehicles and speed but we live with roads with speed limits. Thinkingabout Aug 2012 #29
these irresponsible owners are mostly gangsters gejohnston Aug 2012 #33
Speed kills a lot of people in this country Travis_0004 Aug 2012 #41
I own two modified cars, a 85.5 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe, and a 01 Mustang GT virginia mountainman Aug 2012 #45
It's no different than ALEC. When it began it was geared toward gun safety. Now it's just Lint Head Aug 2012 #34
I disagree with your opinion of this article rl6214 Aug 2012 #36
"rifleman" I doubt he was ever a Marine. oneshooter Aug 2012 #44
This is false, and I can prove it. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #40
Does the NRA speak for you when they call for the defeat of President Obama? SecularMotion Aug 2012 #50
Nope. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #52
Isn't that what ALL Lobbyists do? period. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #51
With "friends" like that, who needs enemies? Dr_Scholl Aug 2012 #62
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