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GreenStormCloud

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32. It has been tried, and detailed statistics are available online.
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 08:02 PM
Jul 2012

In Texas the detailed statistics are compiled annually by the Department of Public Safety and published on the internet. It is likely that the Texas experience with Concealed Handgun Licenses would be about the same in other states. The last year for which statistics are published is 2011 for convictions. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm

In 2011 there were 512,625 people who had CHLs. Out of those people there were exactly four (4) murder convictions. Out of the general population there were 553 convictions for murder in its various forms.
So very, very few CHL holders go bad, but some do.

The DPS also publishes an annual Crime in Texas Report. http://www.dps.texas.gov/crimereports/10/citCh3.pdf
From that report, page 15:

Statistics on murder circumstances, victims, and
victim/offender relationships on the next page
include justifiable homicides. Justifiable homicide
is the killing of a felon by a peace officer in the
line of duty or the killing (during the commission
of a felony) of a felon by a private citizen. In
2010, there were 98 justifiable homicides, of
which, 50 were felons killed by private citizens,
and 48 were felons killed by police.


In Texas all homicides, even those that are clearly self-defense, have to go before a grand jury which will rule if the killing was justified or not. So those 50 justified private citizen homicides were ones in which the defender genuinely and legitimately feared for his life. Since most shootings are merely woundings there would be a much larger number of justified woundings in which the defender genuinely feared for his life, but that number is not kept. Obviously there are dozens of cases each year in which a CHL holder uses their gun to save themselves.

Dozens of innocent lives saved versus four innocents killed shows the concealed carry is working in Texas. As already stated, there is no reason to believe that other CCW states have a different experience.

Legal concealed carry saves innocent lives.
If gun control laws are so good [View all] guardian Jul 2012 OP
Because rrneck Jul 2012 #1
They have also Missycim Jul 2012 #2
rudecitybigottoterspushersdeathmerchantsspewerstrawsellers ileus Jul 2012 #24
When was the last time you attended Jenoch Aug 2012 #66
I dont attend them Missycim Aug 2012 #68
So you have ZERO first hand Jenoch Aug 2012 #72
But how do you know Missycim Aug 2012 #73
Why would Jenoch Aug 2012 #90
LOL xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #10
Online Gun Sales electedface Jul 2012 #3
there is no ONLINE GUN SALE DEPARTMENT alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #5
"Please know what you are talking about before" guardian Jul 2012 #9
the Brady Campaign? gejohnston Jul 2012 #11
I am guessing that you mean Constitution when you say Declaration Hangingon Jul 2012 #13
Still pushing your web site. Can you come up with another argument? oneshooter Jul 2012 #35
When the FF wrote the 1st Amendment Jenoch Aug 2012 #67
Ok, so I went to your link. Jenoch Aug 2012 #69
I have it on good authority... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #70
gun control facts for you samsingh Jul 2012 #4
except for little old vermont alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #6
50% of the world's private guns are owned in the US samsingh Jul 2012 #8
let's put that in context gejohnston Jul 2012 #14
You're missing a step there 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #15
The fact that other countries Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #16
i guess all the other nations are stupid and the governments will enslave the populations samsingh Jul 2012 #18
You take a very short view of history nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #20
Ummm three of those countries gejohnston Jul 2012 #22
Who does? discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #65
Vermont's gun death rate is only exceeded by one state in their Northwest Region russ1943 Aug 2012 #76
gun death or gun murder? gejohnston Aug 2012 #77
Can you read? russ1943 Aug 2012 #83
I can read quite well gejohnston Aug 2012 #85
Your ability to read is still in question, quit digging. russ1943 Aug 2012 #87
No, I went and closely the CDC table. gejohnston Aug 2012 #88
Seems then that we should have half the worlds violent crime 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #12
You say that like it's a bad thing. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #57
Obviously if you have 80 million gun owners and 300 million firearms ... spin Jul 2012 #59
it's the mental state of people who own and use guns - beyond legislating really nt msongs Jul 2012 #7
i'd rather have a mental person have access to a club than a machine gun samsingh Jul 2012 #28
a "mental person" cannot legally own a machine gun now guardian Jul 2012 #30
apparently john holmes was already seeing a psychiatrist samsingh Jul 2012 #39
a judge did not declare him mentally incompetent gejohnston Jul 2012 #43
then there's the access to powerful weapons that can be used to massacre innocent people in a theatr samsingh Jul 2012 #44
I won't bore you with technical reasons gejohnston Jul 2012 #47
we would look at tightening up the protocols at Police Departments samsingh Jul 2012 #51
better start with LAPD gejohnston Jul 2012 #61
you're right about that. samsingh Jul 2012 #62
Not to mention that he did not Jenoch Aug 2012 #75
John Holmes guardian Jul 2012 #48
i didn't say he did. but i did refer to a machine gun samsingh Jul 2012 #53
I'm sure this was a minor mistake... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author armueller2001 Aug 2012 #64
This is a seriously relevant question. DWC Jul 2012 #17
why don't we try it in Texas. samsingh Jul 2012 #19
They *have* tried it in Texas- Houston has half the murder rate of Chicago. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #21
houston is a tiny city compared to Chicago samsingh Jul 2012 #40
which supports our point gejohnston Jul 2012 #42
i'm referring to the increased gun deaths samsingh Jul 2012 #45
I never said they were caused by increased gun control gejohnston Jul 2012 #46
other threads have made this comment samsingh Jul 2012 #52
Houston and Chicago are similar in size. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #56
Horseshit. They both have over 2 million people: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #60
The FIREARM HOMICIDE rate has been higher in Houston. russ1943 Aug 2012 #71
so are people being murdered by other means gejohnston Aug 2012 #74
Logic? Excuse me. russ1943 Aug 2012 #78
OK so why does Chicago have such a high rate gejohnston Aug 2012 #79
Lot's of reasons. russ1943 Aug 2012 #86
the OP said it was high, not the highest. gejohnston Aug 2012 #89
Guns somehow make you deader? That's all I'm getting from that.... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #91
It has been tried, and detailed statistics are available online. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #32
pardon me samsingh Jul 2012 #41
None of the shall-issue states has had any movement to rescind shall-issue. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #55
Wow! Thank you. guardian Jul 2012 #23
You could put some facts about Chicago's laws and crime rates up on the thread Kolesar Jul 2012 #26
Valid point guardian Jul 2012 #29
Chicago could do "stop and frisk" like New York and then you would be happy Kolesar Jul 2012 #33
So what do you want? guardian Jul 2012 #34
Fortunately federal law trumps state law in this regard. alabama_for_obama Aug 2012 #63
As always bongbong Jul 2012 #25
"reigionist" guardian Jul 2012 #31
being such a major city, could Chicago be more complicated than some of the others? samsingh Jul 2012 #36
there is a coorelation gejohnston Jul 2012 #38
WTF? guardian Jul 2012 #49
i was trying to respond to bong-bong- whom i agree with- i should have responded one level above the samsingh Jul 2012 #50
here's the interesting thing samsingh Jul 2012 #37
You are making a basic, and common, mistake. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #54
Because they have a lot of criminals RegieRocker Jul 2012 #27
This post is just poorly reasoned. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #80
It is a simple question gejohnston Aug 2012 #81
FYI: Some say there are no stupid questions. ellisonz Aug 2012 #82
Neither does El Paso gejohnston Aug 2012 #84
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