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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
21. They *have* tried it in Texas- Houston has half the murder rate of Chicago.
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 03:23 PM
Jul 2012

I wouldn't claim Texas is paradise on earth, but if gun laws really drove crime rates, Burlington, Vermont should resemble Aleppo on a bad weekend.
(Spoiler: it doesn't at all...)

If gun control laws are so good [View all] guardian Jul 2012 OP
Because rrneck Jul 2012 #1
They have also Missycim Jul 2012 #2
rudecitybigottoterspushersdeathmerchantsspewerstrawsellers ileus Jul 2012 #24
When was the last time you attended Jenoch Aug 2012 #66
I dont attend them Missycim Aug 2012 #68
So you have ZERO first hand Jenoch Aug 2012 #72
But how do you know Missycim Aug 2012 #73
Why would Jenoch Aug 2012 #90
LOL xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #10
Online Gun Sales electedface Jul 2012 #3
there is no ONLINE GUN SALE DEPARTMENT alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #5
"Please know what you are talking about before" guardian Jul 2012 #9
the Brady Campaign? gejohnston Jul 2012 #11
I am guessing that you mean Constitution when you say Declaration Hangingon Jul 2012 #13
Still pushing your web site. Can you come up with another argument? oneshooter Jul 2012 #35
When the FF wrote the 1st Amendment Jenoch Aug 2012 #67
Ok, so I went to your link. Jenoch Aug 2012 #69
I have it on good authority... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #70
gun control facts for you samsingh Jul 2012 #4
except for little old vermont alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #6
50% of the world's private guns are owned in the US samsingh Jul 2012 #8
let's put that in context gejohnston Jul 2012 #14
You're missing a step there 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #15
The fact that other countries Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #16
i guess all the other nations are stupid and the governments will enslave the populations samsingh Jul 2012 #18
You take a very short view of history nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #20
Ummm three of those countries gejohnston Jul 2012 #22
Who does? discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #65
Vermont's gun death rate is only exceeded by one state in their Northwest Region russ1943 Aug 2012 #76
gun death or gun murder? gejohnston Aug 2012 #77
Can you read? russ1943 Aug 2012 #83
I can read quite well gejohnston Aug 2012 #85
Your ability to read is still in question, quit digging. russ1943 Aug 2012 #87
No, I went and closely the CDC table. gejohnston Aug 2012 #88
Seems then that we should have half the worlds violent crime 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #12
You say that like it's a bad thing. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #57
Obviously if you have 80 million gun owners and 300 million firearms ... spin Jul 2012 #59
it's the mental state of people who own and use guns - beyond legislating really nt msongs Jul 2012 #7
i'd rather have a mental person have access to a club than a machine gun samsingh Jul 2012 #28
a "mental person" cannot legally own a machine gun now guardian Jul 2012 #30
apparently john holmes was already seeing a psychiatrist samsingh Jul 2012 #39
a judge did not declare him mentally incompetent gejohnston Jul 2012 #43
then there's the access to powerful weapons that can be used to massacre innocent people in a theatr samsingh Jul 2012 #44
I won't bore you with technical reasons gejohnston Jul 2012 #47
we would look at tightening up the protocols at Police Departments samsingh Jul 2012 #51
better start with LAPD gejohnston Jul 2012 #61
you're right about that. samsingh Jul 2012 #62
Not to mention that he did not Jenoch Aug 2012 #75
John Holmes guardian Jul 2012 #48
i didn't say he did. but i did refer to a machine gun samsingh Jul 2012 #53
I'm sure this was a minor mistake... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author armueller2001 Aug 2012 #64
This is a seriously relevant question. DWC Jul 2012 #17
why don't we try it in Texas. samsingh Jul 2012 #19
They *have* tried it in Texas- Houston has half the murder rate of Chicago. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #21
houston is a tiny city compared to Chicago samsingh Jul 2012 #40
which supports our point gejohnston Jul 2012 #42
i'm referring to the increased gun deaths samsingh Jul 2012 #45
I never said they were caused by increased gun control gejohnston Jul 2012 #46
other threads have made this comment samsingh Jul 2012 #52
Houston and Chicago are similar in size. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #56
Horseshit. They both have over 2 million people: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #60
The FIREARM HOMICIDE rate has been higher in Houston. russ1943 Aug 2012 #71
so are people being murdered by other means gejohnston Aug 2012 #74
Logic? Excuse me. russ1943 Aug 2012 #78
OK so why does Chicago have such a high rate gejohnston Aug 2012 #79
Lot's of reasons. russ1943 Aug 2012 #86
the OP said it was high, not the highest. gejohnston Aug 2012 #89
Guns somehow make you deader? That's all I'm getting from that.... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #91
It has been tried, and detailed statistics are available online. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #32
pardon me samsingh Jul 2012 #41
None of the shall-issue states has had any movement to rescind shall-issue. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #55
Wow! Thank you. guardian Jul 2012 #23
You could put some facts about Chicago's laws and crime rates up on the thread Kolesar Jul 2012 #26
Valid point guardian Jul 2012 #29
Chicago could do "stop and frisk" like New York and then you would be happy Kolesar Jul 2012 #33
So what do you want? guardian Jul 2012 #34
Fortunately federal law trumps state law in this regard. alabama_for_obama Aug 2012 #63
As always bongbong Jul 2012 #25
"reigionist" guardian Jul 2012 #31
being such a major city, could Chicago be more complicated than some of the others? samsingh Jul 2012 #36
there is a coorelation gejohnston Jul 2012 #38
WTF? guardian Jul 2012 #49
i was trying to respond to bong-bong- whom i agree with- i should have responded one level above the samsingh Jul 2012 #50
here's the interesting thing samsingh Jul 2012 #37
You are making a basic, and common, mistake. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #54
Because they have a lot of criminals RegieRocker Jul 2012 #27
This post is just poorly reasoned. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #80
It is a simple question gejohnston Aug 2012 #81
FYI: Some say there are no stupid questions. ellisonz Aug 2012 #82
Neither does El Paso gejohnston Aug 2012 #84
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