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In reply to the discussion: Where do you stand on banning guns? [View all]Oneka
(653 posts)30. I'm about to chalenge one right now
I do not agree with your list of what the amendment grants us the right to keep and bear
My list did not include what i want the right to grant me, my list is what i want government to have no control over whatsoever. You see, rights are not "granted" by the constitution, or the bill of rights. Rights exist and pre existed the constitution,
what the bill of rights attempted to do was codify that sentiment, and make it clear, that government had no control of the items therein. Statements like " shall make no law", "shall not be infringed" " or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" , these statements and others like them in the bill of rights, make it clear that they are limiting government power, not granting me anything. Sadly government has shown that when it "really really wants to" it can act outside of the constraints of the limitations placed on it by our bill of rights. It has happened far too often in our history.
I do agree that we wont find a resolution in our lifetime, far too many divergent opinions.
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Wow you just rendered both your vote AND your opinion totally meaningless and irrelevent.
cherokeeprogressive
Jul 2012
#31
How does that differ from the third choice? Isn't the National Guard the military, and aren't they
TPaine7
Jul 2012
#6
How did the NRA mislead the Supreme Court in the 1800s and the Framers of the 14th Amendment?
TPaine7
Jul 2012
#12
DU Member Francis Marion had this to say about the meaning of a weel regulated militia
Trunk Monkey
Jul 2012
#7
Good idea. Allowing honest citizens to legally carry concealed makes for a dangerous ...
spin
Jul 2012
#66
someone interpreting an OC as such a sign sounds fearful and paranoid to me.
gejohnston
Jul 2012
#88
Reopen the NFA registry, and remove SBRs, SBSs, and silencers from the Act. No AWB.
petronius
Jul 2012
#11
Would it surprise you to know that the militia HAS been called out as late as 1942?
Trunk Monkey
Jul 2012
#25
I am talking about actual state sponsored militias such as the Texas State Guard
Trunk Monkey
Jul 2012
#56
You make an interesting point about the implementation of the 2nd, I think it would be very odd
pop topcan
Dec 2012
#106
I wouldn't call limiting ownership of semi-auto assault style rifles to the police and the military
spin
Jul 2012
#42
Almost impossible to carry in public. Severe restrictions on guns manufactured as "assault/tactical"
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#51
Return to intent, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
TheKentuckian
Jul 2012
#62
Federal government has no constitutional authority to ban arms. SCOTUS said "the Second Amendment,
jody
Jul 2012
#78
One quick question, do you consider double action revolvers to be semi-automatic?
pop topcan
Dec 2012
#108
The capacity of a semi-auto is dependent on the size of the magazine in the weapon. ...
spin
Dec 2012
#109