Gun Control & RKBA

Atypical Liberal

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24. The truth is out there.

Reply to Oneka (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:55 PM

Jun 2012

But you won't be hearing it from our government.

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The Truth about Fast & Furious [View all] DanTex Jun 2012 OP

rec handmade34 Jun 2012 #1

So, suddenly Fortune magazine, Corporatist rag, is a reliable news source? Funny how that works. DonP Jun 2012 #2

LOL. The gunnies don't like it when actual reporters look into their conspiracy theories! DanTex Jun 2012 #4

No, but I expect you to keep quiet the next time somebody quotes the WSJ or Forbes DonP Jun 2012 #9

Keep that head buried in that sand! DanTex Jun 2012 #14

So being a Rhodes Scholar Oneka Jun 2012 #20

What a great pic. Gotta love her. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #36

Actually, I **don't** gotta love anyone who inflicts serious damage Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #82

Argument from authority is now acceptable if you agree with the authority? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #81

About that "Rhodes Scholar" bit... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #84

Hmmm, a "Rhodes Scholar", eh? PavePusher Aug 2012 #127

I wonder if he has the same high opinion of all Rhodes Scholars? gejohnston Aug 2012 #128

Your understanding of journalism is on a par with your understanding of public safety. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #35

Your understanding of public safety is on par with my cat's understanding of particle physics. Clames Jul 2012 #46

So you're saying that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #5

The gun control freaks* would embrace FR if it claimed F&F was bogus. Canopus Jun 2012 #13

How about giving us a shout when FR says anything positive about Obama, ATF, SS, Medicaid, etc. Hoyt Jun 2012 #15

Classic ad hominem HankyDub Jun 2012 #25

Are we feeling...hungry again? beevul Jun 2012 #27

hiya! HankyDub Jun 2012 #30

Self-imposed intellectual circle-jerking. Callisto32 Jun 2012 #32

Less anger HankyDub Jun 2012 #34

I'm glad you came back with more substance gejohnston Jun 2012 #38

call me whatever you like HankyDub Jun 2012 #39

I call no one daddy, including my father. gejohnston Jun 2012 #40

LOL. A "puff piece". A "couple of ATF agents". DanTex Jun 2012 #41

CBS did a better job. gejohnston Jun 2012 #42

Who is in denial? Oneka Jun 2012 #43

and a way for those responsible to pin it on gejohnston Jun 2012 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #45

It's not "conditional ethics." It's "When even the wingdings can't buy the rightwing bullshit, the MADem Jun 2012 #33

Next up: How the DOJ's war on medical marijuana truedelphi Jun 2012 #3

Who was it... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #6

Like we all didn't know F&F was the NRA's fault. ileus Jun 2012 #7

Gun culture and their allies -- such as NRA -- damn sure did. Hoyt Jun 2012 #16

Too long to read Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #8

read it... your question is answered in the article. SemperEadem Jun 2012 #11

It's pretty obvious to most. And it's being handled perfectly -- Obama is throwing it in face of Hoyt Jun 2012 #17

I'm basking in the glow of transparency. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #23

I just read that article SemperEadem Jun 2012 #10

So... Callisto32 Jun 2012 #12

To pro-gun/anti-Obama crowd, this has to be like george bush failing to find WMDs Hoyt Jun 2012 #18

What? Remmah2 Jun 2012 #29

Don't have to mention it every time because I have you conditioned to think about the no-good NRA. Hoyt Jul 2012 #68

When you mentioned mushroom cloud I thought someone was smoking them. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #71

No I was referring to george bush lies about Iraq and their "nuclear bombs." Hoyt Jul 2012 #73

Don't forget the biological and chemical WMD's Remmah2 Jul 2012 #74

maybe a few an the fringe right gejohnston Jul 2012 #66

So which is it? Oneka Jun 2012 #19

Right Wing Holder is Part of the Effort to Take Down Obama!!1@!!!1 TPaine7 Jun 2012 #21

"minor issues with the Fortune story." Oneka Jun 2012 #26

The truth is out there. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #24

I would have only one question for Holder gejohnston Jun 2012 #22

The idiots in question Oneka Jul 2012 #67

Intentional or accidental the results were still the same. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #28

From the article: PavePusher Jun 2012 #31

The OP seems to have found your questions inconvenient, as they have gone missing. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #49

Yeah, typical. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #50

locking jpak Jun 2012 #37

Delusions of being a host... Clames Jul 2012 #47

And perhaps if his behavior didn't match Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #48

It's a fascinating lie to protect shady American gun sellers. DirkGently Jul 2012 #51

So who ordered this? Oneka Jul 2012 #52

Why do you insist on quoting the article out of context? DanTex Jul 2012 #53

pushing a conspiracy theory! Oneka Jul 2012 #54

Yes, the quote is from the Fortune article, but you took it out of context. DanTex Jul 2012 #55

"Out of context" TPaine7 Jul 2012 #57

If you look up a few posts, you will see that Oneka highlighted this part of the passage in bold DanTex Jul 2012 #58

Oneka can correct me if I'm wrong, TPaine7 Jul 2012 #60

Let's try this again: we don't know why Holder said that. DanTex Jul 2012 #63

I think, rationally speaking, we have a very good idea why Holder said what he said. IT WAS TRUE. TPaine7 Jul 2012 #69

The skill you need to work on is tolerance of uncertainty. DanTex Jul 2012 #70

Translation: Oneka Jul 2012 #72

Do I smell a whiff of irony there? Euromutt Jul 2012 #79

No correction neccassarry Oneka Jul 2012 #65

Here are some questions: gejohnston Jul 2012 #61

so this Fortune article is accusing a whisleblowing agent of gejohnston Jul 2012 #75

I find it interesting that CBS news has also done a series of reports on Fast and Furious ... spin Jul 2012 #56

What I find interesting is that the very mention of guns "causing deaths"... DanTex Jul 2012 #59

Guns don't kill people; guns don't cause deaths. TPaine7 Jul 2012 #62

I don't feel that many gun owners would say that allowing firearms to end up in the hands ... spin Jul 2012 #64

Amy Goodman became loony gun blogger? gejohnston Jul 2012 #76

*That* will be ignored, as it doesn't fit the meme being pushed in the OP. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #77

But... but... but... Rhodes Scholar... climate change denial... gun bloggers... right wing TPaine7 Jul 2012 #78

LOOK ME IN THE EYE.. Oneka Jul 2012 #80

An opposing view from someone in the House oversight comittee ,long read, but informative. Oneka Aug 2012 #83

LOL. "someone in the House oversight committee" = Darrell Issa DanTex Aug 2012 #85

one has supporting evidence, the other only claims it. gejohnston Aug 2012 #86

No evidence it came from Issa? Are you joking? DanTex Aug 2012 #87

you are ignoring facts, backed up by evidence presented gejohnston Aug 2012 #88

Your interlocutor relies on the argument from authority, and its flipside the genetic fallacy. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #89

The irony... DanTex Aug 2012 #91

All the better reason for you to detail the factual errors in the linked *.pdf friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #92

Wow, you are even more clueless than I thought! DanTex Aug 2012 #90

Project much? gejohnston Aug 2012 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #94

Well, then- get busy fisking the document linked in post #83. Point out the errors. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #95

Sorry, I'm not going through 300 pages of right-wing propaganda... DanTex Aug 2012 #96

you don't know the difference between a magazine article and a report? gejohnston Aug 2012 #97

Ooh! Terminology! DanTex Aug 2012 #98

In other words, substance and logic are not your strong suit gejohnston Aug 2012 #99

LOL. You are slowly going off the deep end on this one. DanTex Aug 2012 #100

what conspiracy theory? gejohnston Aug 2012 #103

Your "points" are completely divorced from reality. DanTex Aug 2012 #105

you have no idea how the system works gejohnston Aug 2012 #108

This is hilarious, coming from the guy who didn't think that Darrell Issa authored of the... DanTex Aug 2012 #111

I was seeing if you could back something you said up gejohnston Aug 2012 #113

Well, at the very least I know that the Issa-Grassley report... DanTex Aug 2012 #114

Where is Cumming's document saying it is full of shit? gejohnston Aug 2012 #116

What are you talking about? DanTex Aug 2012 #119

Where is Cumming's document contradicting Issa's? gejohnston Aug 2012 #120

You should ask Cummings that question. And ask the US attorneys about the documents and the trials. DanTex Aug 2012 #123

I can reason under uncertainty quite well gejohnston Aug 2012 #124

Really? You read the whole thing? Well, I have a question. DanTex Aug 2012 #125

because I figured you didn't read it gejohnston Aug 2012 #126

You don't address the substance of what's said, but complain about the source? Genetic fallacy... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #101

LOL. You sure know your logic buzzwords! DanTex Aug 2012 #102

where is yours? gejohnston Aug 2012 #104

Theme and variation on "Eban good, Issa bad, those that question it are fools. Take my word on it". friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #106

LOL. You're failing! You won't make the 8th grade team if you can't do better than that! DanTex Aug 2012 #107

where is yours? gejohnston Aug 2012 #109

Not my job. You claim "Issa's" work is bogus, so demonstrate the bogosity. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #110

Actually, you are the one claiming Eban's work is bogus. DanTex Aug 2012 #112

Not so; I said the defense of her work by citations of her credentials is... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #115

Of course! DanTex Aug 2012 #117

don't most investigative reporters gejohnston Aug 2012 #118

Investigative reporters speak truth. DanTex Aug 2012 #121

I haven't seen any one claiming any such thing gejohnston Aug 2012 #122

Without a dump of those "2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents", Eban is cherry-picking. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #129

what a crock of shit. UnRec. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #130