Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

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50. Your example fails.

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 08:15 AM

Jun 2012

On your porch, fumbling with his keys is not a threat you you. Call 911 that there is a stranger on your porch.

On your porch, kicking in your door is a threat to you. Call 911 first but as soon as he kicks the door in, shoot.

I hope you can see the difference between the two situations.

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"Legally allowing women to shoot their rapists only encourages murders." [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 OP

Better to be raped or murdered first and then let the legal system handle it. dkf Jun 2012 #1

You never hear about it because Gman Jun 2012 #2

+1 ellisonz Jun 2012 #31

Doesn't she have that right without SYG? HockeyMom Jun 2012 #3

SYG adds nothing new except the would-be victim is not required to retreat Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #4

Again, if homicide is not the last resort caseymoz Jun 2012 #9

Conversely, what is the first obligation? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #15

I believe that was treated sufficiently with the law before caseymoz Jun 2012 #19

If more people are killed under SYG and no one is convicted Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #21

a thread-killer :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #23

Then why does Corrections Corporation of America exist? BiggJawn Jun 2012 #28

It just bothers me. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #33

Bothers me, too. BiggJawn Jun 2012 #38

I know what you mean. Not cool! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #39

I wasn't commenting on the rightness or wrongness of privately owned prisons Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #42

Except that it is true. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #29

True? For sure it is. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #34

Your first obligation is to think. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #40

You are confused about SYG. gejohnston Jun 2012 #41

You are the one who is not thinking and is seriously confused about SD and SYG ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #67

No, gejohnston Jun 2012 #27

"Reasonable man" will not even be applied. caseymoz Jun 2012 #57

not even remotely true gejohnston Jun 2012 #58

Your example fails. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #50

Um, I didn't say the two situations were alike caseymoz Jun 2012 #52

Yes that is true ... spin Jun 2012 #5

Good points... OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #12

Of course she does. DanTex Jun 2012 #10

Should people be convicted if they resort to deadly force Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #14

Wrong. TPaine7 Jun 2012 #25

You're channeling Hoyt. PavePusher Jun 2012 #53

The standard for self defense has not changed hack89 Jun 2012 #55

Here's the difference: caseymoz Jun 2012 #6

"SYG stops investigations" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #7

True in many other cases. caseymoz Jun 2012 #8

I provided an example; you provided wild, unfounded conjecture Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #11

I found your response to be insulting. caseymoz Jun 2012 #17

Saying something is demonstrably false and then providing an example is insulting? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #20

"People's emotional attachment" to SYG exists because ... MicaelS Jun 2012 #18

Then I think they need general reform caseymoz Jun 2012 #47

"SYG stops investigations." PavePusher Jun 2012 #22

You are misinformed. caseymoz Jun 2012 #44

No, I'm not "misinformed". PavePusher Jun 2012 #54

Arrest and trial ARE punishment, if one hasn't actually done something wrong. PavePusher Jun 2012 #24

I agree, but that's not the assumption behind our laws. caseymoz Jun 2012 #45

I think I see the problem here. PavePusher Jun 2012 #56

If you insist on legally accurate terms caseymoz Jun 2012 #59

"Idiot"? Not at all. "Confused", maybe. Or possibly, by your own admission, "misleading". PavePusher Jun 2012 #60

As far as I know, there is no "right to kill" in self-defense. If you were to claim such a right TPaine7 Jun 2012 #26

As far as you know? caseymoz Jun 2012 #46

Yes, and as far as you know, and as far as anyone knows in US law. TPaine7 Jun 2012 #49

Oh, so you're nitpicking on my wording. caseymoz Jun 2012 #51

Errors. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #30

Um, no. Because your car keys aren't going to kill you. caseymoz Jun 2012 #48

'presentation' AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #61

Short for now. caseymoz Jun 2012 #62

I don't know about the lady's defense lawyer gejohnston Jun 2012 #63

lol. Don't like the rest of us with guns? caseymoz Jun 2012 #65

Smith and Wesson is not a big corporation. gejohnston Jun 2012 #66

Most of the SYG laws in play are older than ALEC. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #64

How fast can you run? rrneck Jun 2012 #13

Plant throwdown skittles and tea on them. WingDinger Jun 2012 #16

We have been told here sarisataka Jun 2012 #32

I wonder if the poster would feel that a 100 pound woman ... spin Jun 2012 #35

It is good to be aware sarisataka Jun 2012 #36

Good point. (n/t) spin Jun 2012 #37

"Only the Sith deal in absolutes" - Obi Wan Glassunion Jun 2012 #43