Gun Control & RKBA

pipoman

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76. I aspire to, in fact have achieved in most states,

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:05 PM

Jun 2012

a standard of innocent until proven guilty, rather than having to prove innocence...civil libertarian I am, and will always be, right along with a good many other Dems.

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What's the big deal with drama in this group? [View all] snooper2 Jun 2012 OP

Why don't people outside their home have a right to self-edefense? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #1

CCL are fine...no change required to law snooper2 Jun 2012 #6

Except if you ever use your CCL pipoman Jun 2012 #56

Not always. oneshooter Jun 2012 #61

SYG does not cover this: PavePusher Jun 2012 #2

That all depends on your safeinOhio Jun 2012 #13

"You seem to be advocating shooting someone that steals something in the back to keep your stuff." PavePusher Jun 2012 #29

You said it. safeinOhio Jun 2012 #43

I believe I have (and should have) the right to refuse any criminal request Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #47

It surely didn't sound like "shoot them in the back". PavePusher Jun 2012 #77

But what you describe isn't a problem with the law as written. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #31

I don't mind the Stand Your Ground laws. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #3

. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #4

Ambiguous circumstances cas ensnare anyone, really. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #8

Definitely something to consider. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #44

Or even if they are faced with use it or parrish, pipoman Jun 2012 #60

Rights don't come with a free pass through the judicial process. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #72

I aspire to, in fact have achieved in most states, pipoman Jun 2012 #76

AR10's are just too damn big. ileus Jun 2012 #5

Tell me about it... my "AR10" bench rifle is over 15 pounds with scope, bipod, and 20rnd mag. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #7

Memories of Belfast perhaps? gejohnston Jun 2012 #32

I'm missing the reference, here... ? OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #91

My bad, I was thinking of the AR-18 gejohnston Jun 2012 #92

Really pretty simple -- who wants a bunch of yahoos like this parading around in public, around kids Hoyt Jun 2012 #9

Well Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #10

Except this is that, PLUS a gun or two strapped to their bodies. Hoyt Jun 2012 #12

Should I be scared? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #14

Apparently you are if you carry a gun on city streets. n/t Hoyt Jun 2012 #16

None of the pictures you showed are from city streets. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #18

Do you want militia, cowboy, bigoted, or basement arsenal types walking around armed in the city? Hoyt Jun 2012 #21

You can't complain about something that isn't happening.. snooper2 Jun 2012 #24

From the pics you posted it's not an issue. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #25

"Militia" isn't a pejorative. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #34

The militia types are such wonderful folks camping out hoping to shoot people from Mexico and stuff. Hoyt Jun 2012 #40

I've got no love for the Minuteman project. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #64

. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #68

You think the majority of people thought violence was the answer to racism? ellisonz Jun 2012 #100

I'm not sure which post you're replying to. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #101

I'm replying to your posting of an image of the Black Panthers... ellisonz Jun 2012 #102

And the violence advocated by militias is pretty thoroughly rejected by whites as well Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #103

The anti-government violence is denounced... ellisonz Jun 2012 #107

What does Mr Horn have to do with Hoyt's assertion that pro-2A = support for Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #108

First off: "pro-2A" is a silly notion. No one is opposed to the Constituion. ellisonz Jun 2012 #110

Hoyt was painting, via false association, that to be pro-2A is to be pro-white racist militia Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #112

I think the entire premise of "pro-2A" is nonsensical. ellisonz Jun 2012 #113

I still don't see what this has to do with Hoyt's dishonest assertion Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #114

I believe you meant sarisataka Jun 2012 #104

And that would be a very poor analogy. ellisonz Jun 2012 #105

So are you claiming... sarisataka Jun 2012 #109

I believe the gun culture... ellisonz Jun 2012 #111

Hoyt knows the truth.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #42

He doesn't tolerate people that don't look or think like him DonP Jun 2012 #50

I "tolerate" almost everyone except those carrying guns in the city. Hoyt Jun 2012 #71

Thank you for illustrating my point so well. DonP Jun 2012 #81

Well, I don't tolerate criminals, particularly those who abuse with a gun (whether convicted). Hoyt Jun 2012 #83

Hoyt's Gun Abuse Severity Test Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #86

I'm not sure I understand. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #87

Maybe they don't want a hug from you. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #89

Based on the pictures he keeps posting he doesn't seem to like overweight white people. DonP Jun 2012 #90

I've been alive for 37 years and don't remember seeing folks like that parading around in public... snooper2 Jun 2012 #11

I think if it is OK to do a criminal safeinOhio Jun 2012 #15

To be fair Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #19

Taking your statement at face value Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #20

Because the criminal elemnet of Colorado Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #33

Many pro-gun people think so too sarisataka Jun 2012 #37

Pretty much a racist collection of pictures. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #22

I know! Right? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #27

and sexist............. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #28

Simple answer DonP Jun 2012 #30

Cause those are only militia and TBag types who arm up. Hoyt Jun 2012 #49

If you say so, gejohnston Jun 2012 #52

Just more ancient BS to scare the gun culture into buying more guns. Hoyt Jun 2012 #54

Ah, white supremacists Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #58

Their mistake was they didn't restrict the hell out of guns for everyone. Hoyt Jun 2012 #63

No mistake, and no oversight. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #65

I think we could cover most people, at least begin transition to saner gun laws. Hoyt Jun 2012 #69

Like this? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #55

Post # 54 is for you too. Hoyt Jun 2012 #57

No pictures, but there's a black gun club round my way Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #74

Bingo -- Diversity is definitely lacking in the gun culture. Hoyt Jun 2012 #46

Gun shows around here have plenty of non-whites and women. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #53

Hoyt, you need to get out more. PavePusher Jun 2012 #78

Please provide a photo of you and GC buddies. Hoyt Jun 2012 #79

You are always welcome to come to Tucson and take in a gun show or two. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #80

At your expense? Otherwise photos please. Hoyt Jun 2012 #84

Generally speaking, taking photos at those events is restricted. PavePusher Jun 2012 #93

I bet it is restricted. Hoyt Jun 2012 #95

Simple? Straw Man Jun 2012 #26

Most gun owners are "yahoos", according to Hoyt.... MicaelS Jun 2012 #82

Don't see any parades sarisataka Jun 2012 #38

I wonder if the huge beer guts are part of the qualifying process. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #45

I've noticed the tendency, and think there is a correlation. Hoyt Jun 2012 #51

Why do you single out overweight persons? mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #85

There aren't that many. How many calories do you burn standing, squeezing a trigger -- not a lot. Hoyt Jun 2012 #97

Cool answer. mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #98

Over weight people will kill for food if need be? L0oniX Jun 2012 #96

Your example of the Texas incident ... spin Jun 2012 #17

To answer your initial question... Clames Jun 2012 #23

actually these same people are going all over DU with their vitriol and making all of DU suck. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #35

Let them whine, let them complain, let them make DU suck... Clames Jun 2012 #39

what last attempt? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #41

When elisonz protested a few threads made here in Meta. Clames Jun 2012 #66

well then --- check this out Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #73

"Let them whine" LOL. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #48

Certain people TRY "to make DU suck", iverglas was the most notorious.. MicaelS Jun 2012 #59

No whining, just observing a fact here. Clames Jun 2012 #67

I disagree gejohnston Jun 2012 #70

and to tack in that direction ... I think I am getting your drift. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #75

Agree 100% n/t MicaelS Jun 2012 #62

in your opinion has the drama gotten worse since the move to DU3 and if so, why? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #36

Just from my brief time here Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #88

Exactly. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #94

first topic....dedicated 22lr uppers. ileus Jun 2012 #99

First purse fight... jeepnstein Jun 2012 #106

Judging by the question content of the original post... Bum_Whisperer Jun 2012 #115

LOL, I killed a sow when I was 13 with a thirty-aught-six snooper2 Jun 2012 #117

What's wrong with my AR-10? AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #116