Gun Control & RKBA

SGMRTDARMY

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82. Dream on Hoyt, Dream on

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:57 PM

Jun 2012

They are not going to revisit it, but if you want to hang your anti gun hat on that happening, be my guest. Meanwhile, gun rights just keep marching on.

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Does the Second Amendment belong in the Bill of Rights? Why or why not? [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 OP

Trash the whole thing if you ditch the one that matters. ileus Jun 2012 #1

Not necessarily about RKBA but Churchill said discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #3

The RKBA is an extension... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #2

Of course it belongs. Blanks Jun 2012 #4

Welcome to DU discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #5

Do you belong to a well regulated militia. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #34

membership in one was never required gejohnston Jun 2012 #37

Two of them sarisataka Jun 2012 #42

I belong to the well regulated militia of my castle. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #50

I am a member of the unorganized militia (read: people) of Maryland Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #55

I'm definitely unorganized. nt Remmah2 Jun 2012 #59

Who makes up the Militia? ileus Jun 2012 #60

I know, I know SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #61

ding ding ding...we have a winner. Either way the people have the RKBA. ileus Jun 2012 #64

So do I get a prize for the winning answer? nt SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #66

I can mail you some mining stickers... ileus Jun 2012 #75

Naw thats ok SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #76

Didn't the first militia of this country (colonial) fight *against* the government (British)? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #146

Depends on what you wish to call the first militia... sarisataka Jun 2012 #147

Not anymore. I was in the army. Blanks Jun 2012 #84

I'm willing to bet money you're still legally in at least two militias n/t Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #85

Why is 'well-regulated militia' in the 2nd amendment? Blanks Jun 2012 #86

There's room for disagreement on that, Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #87

I disagree. Blanks Jun 2012 #107

Those rights belonged to the states and people, anyway Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #108

I never said they were protecting a subset Blanks Jun 2012 #109

Ah, pardon my assumption. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #112

It is my own interpretation.... Blanks Jun 2012 #115

Oh, there are definitely exceptions. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #117

It is not a qualifier, it is one reason for existence. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #88

It isn't a qualifier. Go back and study English grammar. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #102

Perhaps qualifier isn't the best word Blanks Jun 2012 #104

All nine... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #105

Do Collectives, like corporations have rights? Blanks Jun 2012 #106

I hesitate... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #111

Don't bongbong Jun 2012 #114

Name one. gejohnston Jun 2012 #118

rofl bongbong Jun 2012 #120

name one liberal position in gejohnston Jun 2012 #123

So list all those cases so we can see the strength of your argument. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #122

One of the many articles gun-religionists hate bongbong Jun 2012 #125

An article on the racist and Republican roots of gun control? hack89 Jun 2012 #126

Thanks sarisataka Jun 2012 #127

Selective reading bongbong Jun 2012 #132

But we were discussing legal precedent hack89 Jun 2012 #133

Glad we don't fail you, but I'm more delighted that you fail yourself aikoaiko Jun 2012 #143

LOL bongbong Jun 2012 #164

Conservatives/Liberals discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #165

wow SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #128

LOL bongbong Jun 2012 #131

Can you be anymore ridiculous? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #134

So have you posted any SCOTUS rulings that say the 2A SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #140

How so? gejohnston Jun 2012 #129

"The fear inspired by black people with guns also led the United States Congress to consider new gun hack89 Jun 2012 #135

"Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control." nt hack89 Jun 2012 #136

"Gun-control measures, like many other laws, were used to oppress African Americans." nt hack89 Jun 2012 #137

That's literally the entire story of MD gun control n/t Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #141

"The most infamous of these disarmament posses, of course, was the Ku Klux Klan." nt hack89 Jun 2012 #138

North sought to reaffirm the freedmen’s constitutional rights, including their right to possess guns hack89 Jun 2012 #139

Sure era veteran Jun 2012 #6

It is part of our Constitution, as are the other parts of the Bill of Rights. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #7

That's fair. I'd argue that limitations on any enumerated right in the BoR should petronius Jun 2012 #39

But before we can discuss such restrictions, we have to agree on the intent of the amendment. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #89

No. The second amendment is obsolete and the wording needs to be removed Gman Jun 2012 #8

We still have people. nt rrneck Jun 2012 #9

We still have people?? Gman Jun 2012 #28

*sigh* rrneck Jun 2012 #32

I happen to agree, we need to ditch any mention of militia, so it's clear for everyone. ileus Jun 2012 #41

They'll figure it out soon enough rrneck Jun 2012 #54

I disagree gejohnston Jun 2012 #10

If you feel that strongly about it, then start a drive to ammend the US Constitution. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #11

"feel that strongly about it"? Gman Jun 2012 #27

Oh I don't know gejohnston Jun 2012 #30

Seems you don't understand the diference... Clames Jun 2012 #49

"Gun nuts generally are not literate enough to understand the written word" Spoonman Jun 2012 #74

When you write that an amendment to the US Constitution is *obsolete*, that's an extremely SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #130

So you jump from one amendment to the entire constitution Gman Jun 2012 #142

What's the point of having a Constitution, then? Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #144

I'll bet you long for the days of Prohibition Gman Jun 2012 #151

Hehe, look up the origin of the "Free State" nickname Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #153

One amendment or the entire Constitution is the same. You really are a one trick pony. SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #145

What a travesty that they repealed the 18th Gman Jun 2012 #150

Repealing part of the Constitution is one thing -- violating it is another Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #154

The important difference sarisataka Jun 2012 #156

And the 2nd could be repealed the same way Gman Jun 2012 #160

You are correct sarisataka Jun 2012 #161

Since the 2A is protection of personal rights, any attempt... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #162

Invoking the old Chinese curse sarisataka Jun 2012 #163

As I said earlier, if you don't like the 2nd amendment, then work to repeal it. It worked out well SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #158

What do you think the National Guard IS? nt TheWraith Jun 2012 #29

People, as in Private Citizens, make up The National Guard and the US Armed Forces Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #52

If a Guard member had to supply his own musket Gman Jun 2012 #69

But in Switzerland gejohnston Jun 2012 #70

The 2 A says the people have the right to keep and bear sarisataka Jun 2012 #71

fail. but, whatever. sell your own soul if it makes you happy. liberty for me. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #81

Good grief Gman Jun 2012 #152

oh dear. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #155

This, of course, is PRECISELY why the right to keep and bear arms was reserved to the PEOPLE. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #90

I say 'Yes', for two reasons: first, I think the Framers had it right when petronius Jun 2012 #12

Where's our resident SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #13

perhaps discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #15

LOL! bongbong Jun 2012 #65

Your whole argument has been proven bullshit SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #67

LOL indeed bongbong Jun 2012 #113

There was not SCOTUS that said gejohnston Jun 2012 #119

Nope bongbong Jun 2012 #121

that is not an answer. gejohnston Jun 2012 #124

And just who is the Govt.? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #68

In this description of the militia... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #83

Finally SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #17

yw Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #53

If I said, "I'm completely out of soda, I'm going to the store." Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #92

While I am not personally a huge fan of gun ownership, SheilaT Jun 2012 #14

Agreed discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #20

Exellent post SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #22

Add to your quotes about constitutions safeinOhio Jun 2012 #16

How could my pale understanding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #18

Agreed, and safeinOhio Jun 2012 #23

Prefatory clause or not, "people" are "people." LAGC Jun 2012 #19

does the prefatory Oneka Jun 2012 #44

It qualifies it and gives it boundaries. safeinOhio Jun 2012 #57

It has one boundary: the people. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #63

Another constitutional point with a prefatory clause. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #93

Maybe when the right wingers on the Court are removed, we'll revisit this w/o the NRA up their ass. Hoyt Jun 2012 #21

Your dream of the SCOTUS SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #24

So "loathe" that they overturned precedent in this case. Besides, every case is a bit different. Hoyt Jun 2012 #80

Dream on Hoyt, Dream on SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #82

Name one liberal on that court. gejohnston Jun 2012 #25

Thank you, very sincerely :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #72

I genuinely appreciate your polite tone. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #148

You're welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #149

Even Stevens agrees that the second amendment is an individual right. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #94

Yeah, you might have a right to keep one gun in a safe at home if in a Hoyt Jun 2012 #98

it is one sentence. gejohnston Jun 2012 #99

You need to look a little closer at the grammatical structure. Hoyt Jun 2012 #100

it explains the reason gejohnston Jun 2012 #103

I believe it specifically states armS. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #101

Constitutional Topic: The Second Amendment Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #26

If properly interpreted as the anachronism it is. Loudly Jun 2012 #31

Instead of talking about the injustice of the 2ND Amendment SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #33

That's like circulating a petition against Jim Crow in 1955 Alabama. Loudly Jun 2012 #35

Nice try Shares SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #36

If I was the age I am now at the time of Plessy v. Ferguson Loudly Jun 2012 #38

Again, nice try Shares SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #40

Your argument for needing a gun or claiming an imaginary right to posses one Loudly Jun 2012 #43

Ok... sarisataka Jun 2012 #45

Guns as a solution to guns Loudly Jun 2012 #48

Guns as a tool for self defense SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #51

I thought the nation was moving forward sarisataka Jun 2012 #56

You do realize that is a classic empty cliche talking point. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #79

Weapons have been a solution to weapons for all of recorded history. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #96

Another classic Shares meme. Straw Man Jun 2012 #110

That gun violence that has declined to historic lows? hack89 Jun 2012 #46

Yeah, we might be approaching the tipping point of not having any violent crime. LOL Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #97

My imaginary right to posses one SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #47

"Rushing towards the tipping point of gun violence"? The FBI disagrees with you, Shares: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #91

The modernity shuffle. beevul Jun 2012 #116

Since the 2A... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #78

How is it an anachronism? Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #95

The Constitution is a delicate balance. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #58

Some people forget;... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #62

Some forget and some have never learned. nt Remmah2 Jun 2012 #73

Yeah; sad. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #77

BREAKING: Part of the US Constitution declared to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #157

+1 SlimJimmy Jun 2012 #159