Gun Control & RKBA

Meiko

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95. I don't see it as a gun control issue

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:56 PM

Jun 2012

any more than I see car deaths as an automobile issue. We have serious social problems in this country. We have rampant gang problems that causes thousands of gun related deaths every year. We have a totally out of control drug problem in this country and instead of dealing with it as a social/medical issue we deal with it using law enforcement, it's like beating someone with a nightstick because they have cancer.

We have a racism problem in this country as well, the cops are no help with some of the brain dead things they do. We have multiple generations living in government housing with no real hope in sight. Many of these homes have no adult male leadership living with the family. There are limited or no real educational opportunities available to kids so they turn to gang bangin' and selling drugs. Gun use is a symptom of a much larger problem

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Poll: Should the GC&RKBA SOP be modified to allow discussion about firearms? [View all] aikoaiko Jun 2012 OP

Yes, but rrneck Jun 2012 #1

I think there should just be a group for "all discussion concerning firearms". Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #17

Everybody isnt a firearms enthusiast. rrneck Jun 2012 #19

Most of us here are. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #20

True rrneck Jun 2012 #21

I doubt the usual suspects would post much. Clames Jun 2012 #22

Not necessary - use "Outdoor Life" if you want to discuss specific firearms questions tularetom Jun 2012 #2

Agree Kaleva Jun 2012 #3

I thought... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #4

Something like Justice & Public Safety is now? Kaleva Jun 2012 #6

Yes exactly :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #7

There are plenty of right wing gun sites to discuss all things guns. Hoyt Jun 2012 #5

by all means let The Right Wingers discuss it at Their Sites. I, for one, do NOT wish to go there. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #10

Exactly. Why should we have to go to a right wing site? NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #11

I just don't want to read a bunch of "what kind of bullets do you use to make sure the damage Hoyt Jun 2012 #14

One can trash can such threads if you aren't interested in them. Kaleva Jun 2012 #15

I don't think the such threads have a place here -- Free Republic, Stormfront, etc., are perfect for Hoyt Jun 2012 #16

Aren't those kind of threads already allowed on DU in the Outdoors Group? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #24

OK - I'll change my No vote. But, then, why not just go to Hoyt Jun 2012 #27

Obviously, this is a niche topic. Where better to discuss it than under the Umbrella of 2A? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #28

I do those too gejohnston Jun 2012 #29

yes but, thing is This is more narrower in definition and different in scope --- Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #33

And when do you plan to do it? Been 24hrs and no change. oneshooter Jun 2012 #72

When are you going to Outdoor group and post about your loads, carry rig, Hoyt Jun 2012 #81

I am not the one that has lied(so far) to another member about changing a vote. oneshooter Jun 2012 #84

Still not done. Seems you are less than honest with other DU folk. n/t oneshooter Jun 2012 #96

If we van put up with rrneck Jun 2012 #36

"I just don't want to read..." PavePusher Jun 2012 #47

You know, I think I agree with you. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #63

Great point, that is why we need to do it here. Thanks for the support!! Logical Jun 2012 #82

No. This has come up before. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #8

Where there has to be some sporting value... ellisonz Jun 2012 #9

You wouldn't know the definition of "sporting value" anyway. Clames Jun 2012 #12

I'm pretty sure I've posted more in that group than you have... ellisonz Jun 2012 #26

Well, he is pretty new. gejohnston Jun 2012 #30

Funny how he trots around like he's been here a long time... ellisonz Jun 2012 #32

knowing about events and people gejohnston Jun 2012 #35

It's a very strong indicator... ellisonz Jun 2012 #37

for example? gejohnston Jun 2012 #40

I'm talking about Democrats on this site. ellisonz Jun 2012 #46

I fail to see the point gejohnston Jun 2012 #50

This part: ellisonz Jun 2012 #52

OK, and your evidence is what? gejohnston Jun 2012 #53

Try spending some time in GD when there's a chance for such discussions... ellisonz Jun 2012 #54

not gun nuttery at all gejohnston Jun 2012 #55

Now Now....are you Progressive, progressive, a democrat or a Democrat? ileus Jun 2012 #70

Yeah right.... Clames Jun 2012 #62

Indeed. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #85

You should try the "quality over quantity"... Clames Jun 2012 #31

When you insult my understanding of "sporting value" ellisonz Jun 2012 #34

You're way out of line here, ellisonz. Three accusations of disruptor petronius Jun 2012 #44

When a poster makes his sole purpose here launching constant personal attacks... ellisonz Jun 2012 #45

It's clear from your posts in Hosts, Meta, here, and elsewhere that you view yourself petronius Jun 2012 #48

DU is eminently customizable... ellisonz Jun 2012 #49

Well, that's part of the cultural divide here- we prefer statistics to lurid anecdotes. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #56

I don't see it as a gun control issue Meiko Jun 2012 #95

"Gun use" doesn't happen without readily available guns. n/t ellisonz Jun 2012 #98

And how would you propose to lessen the availability of firearms to those who would abuse the right oneshooter Jun 2012 #99

There is a poster who I have on ignore replying to this post. ellisonz Jun 2012 #100

If you use the word troll gejohnston Jun 2012 #51

You insult everyone in this group that doesn't hold precisely to you ideas. Clames Jun 2012 #101

That's a damn lie. Since when do you speak for everyone in the group? ellisonz Jun 2012 #102

No lies. Clames Jun 2012 #103

This is a relatively slow-moving Group, with a smallish number of regular posters, petronius Jun 2012 #13

I agree. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #18

Guns or Firearms .... thinking.... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #25

What about people who want to discuss gun policy... DanTex Jun 2012 #60

Why do you think the group will be littered with "gun porn"? Kaleva Jun 2012 #61

I'd hate to see a new cat that was limited. ileus Jun 2012 #23

Go liven it up with "gun talk. " Hoyt Jun 2012 #38

An idea: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #39

That would be a possiblity. Kaleva Jun 2012 #41

I'm okay either way n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #42

Your idea would be a very good one if... Kaleva Jun 2012 #43

suggestion: The Umbrella could be The Second Ammendment....which brings me to another thought Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #78

I like the idea. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #88

This could give us a opportunity to gather around what unites us... ileus Jun 2012 #57

The reason I voted no. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #58

No. This forum is about gun policy. DanTex Jun 2012 #59

If the SOP was expanded... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #87

never include "safety" in the list of discussion topics CreekDog Jun 2012 #64

You know, you're right - I tend to think of safety as fundamentally included petronius Jun 2012 #65

Yes. I pretty much assumed it was a given... Kaleva Jun 2012 #66

I added it... petronius Jun 2012 #67

I never understood why pictures weren't permitted. Renew Deal Jun 2012 #68

all they have to do is ignore non-policy threads. ileus Jun 2012 #69

It's against the Terms of Service to post "shock content" ellisonz Jun 2012 #73

You're kidding right? Renew Deal Jun 2012 #86

No I think photos of bullet ridden corpses is shock content... ellisonz Jun 2012 #89

I read it correctly Renew Deal Jun 2012 #90

I wrote: ellisonz Jun 2012 #91

Right Renew Deal Jun 2012 #92

When I think gun porn I think pics of great firearms ileus Jun 2012 #93

Regarding the pro-control posters discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #71

And about 15 of the 25 were reeled over with a DU this poll post. ileus Jun 2012 #74

I'm not sure of your point. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #76

never mind. found it. gross. -- Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #79

Yes. The votes of the non-regulars didn't change the gap much. Kaleva Jun 2012 #80

You'll also notice that some of those who voted "No" want Gun Control & RKBA shut down completely Kaleva Jun 2012 #75

I realize that "yes" doesn't mean more gun control laws. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #77

That sounds like a great description. ileus Jun 2012 #83

I had to think this one over a few days sarisataka Jun 2012 #94

Yes: knowledge promotes safety Tejas Jun 2012 #97

Yes, It makes good sense. era veteran Jun 2012 #104

Although new to DU, I voted in this poll... G26 Jun 2012 #105

There is one here that claims that all he needs to know about firearms he can get on the net. oneshooter Jun 2012 #106

After nearly 100 votes and 1 week, the 70 - 30 split is clearly stable. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #107

I believe what comes next is the official poll. Or maybe not. Kaleva Jun 2012 #108