Gun Control & RKBA

Atypical Liberal

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34. You need to be more specifica about what you mean.

Thu May 3, 2012, 12:00 PM

May 2012

OK a bit over the top but he and I feel we do have the right to own and carry some guns in some places in some circumstances but some guns, places, and circumstances should be illegal.

You need to proceed from the understanding that the second amendment is about keeping military-grade small arms appropriate for infantry use in the hands of civilians.

Given that, which guns should be illegal in which places?

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The 2nd Amendment crystal clear or as clear as muddy water? [View all] SoutherDem May 2012 OP

Bit muddy. Downwinder May 2012 #1

Good points Sherman A1 May 2012 #2

Actually, this was addressed in the Heller decision... ToolMaker May 2012 #8

Scalia wrote the majority opinion in Heller Gman May 2012 #10

It is still the LAW. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #19

Then you can, I presume, refute each point... PavePusher May 2012 #27

The entire court agreed in one fashion or another AtheistCrusader May 2012 #42

Exactly, the four who dissented make a lot more sense to me. Hope makeup of court changes soon. Hoyt May 2012 #47

Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater thelordofhell May 2012 #3

"You have a right to bear arms in case you are needed to fight in a militia." PavePusher May 2012 #28

It's the condition proposed in the first 13 words of the 2nd Amendment thelordofhell May 2012 #35

The prefatory phrase is an example which confers no legislative authority n/t Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #36

That's not what Justic Stevens and three other judges said. Hoyt May 2012 #48

True enough, but I still disagree with them Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #53

Can you explain, through grammar, legal precedence and history.... PavePusher May 2012 #37

This whole OP is about opinion.......not legal precedence thelordofhell May 2012 #38

Your "opinion" would carry much more weight... PavePusher May 2012 #41

WTF?? thelordofhell May 2012 #49

the intent discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #52

You're right in line with the Heller Decision then. jeepnstein May 2012 #59

Agreed. Rittermeister May 2012 #73

You most certainly can shout "fire!" in a crowded theater... aikoaiko May 2012 #45

Ah, the dreaded "theater fire" loophole n/t Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #46

LOL!! You know what I mean thelordofhell May 2012 #50

Simple rrneck May 2012 #4

For those of us not so enlightened SoutherDem May 2012 #9

Still simple. rrneck May 2012 #12

Sorry I still don't feel it is that simple SoutherDem May 2012 #15

No worries. rrneck May 2012 #18

Now that is something I haven't thought of. SoutherDem May 2012 #22

Thank you. Youre very kind. nt rrneck May 2012 #24

"...is independent to each state..." PavePusher May 2012 #29

It means the same thing gejohnston May 2012 #13

Thanks for reply but we need a TARDIS SoutherDem May 2012 #21

one thing gejohnston May 2012 #23

Couple of comments and a question SoutherDem May 2012 #32

about Japan gejohnston May 2012 #33

Every American has the right to hang a pair of bear arms on their wall Drale May 2012 #5

I forsee... PavePusher May 2012 #30

Yeah, but unarmed, what are they gonna do about it? petronius May 2012 #31

Crystal clear nt hack89 May 2012 #6

Suppose the Constitution said: Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #7

"A well regulated transportation system" shaayecanaan May 2012 #16

As far as 2A goes, that power is granted by Art. I, Sec. 8 Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #17

Tripping on "regulated" Callisto32 May 2012 #43

I am taking my watch to the watchmaker to get it regulated... shaayecanaan May 2012 #44

Not in the late 18th century. Callisto32 May 2012 #56

When the watchmaker had finished his repairs it would be well regulated hack89 May 2012 #58

Clear as the Constitution and Bill of Rights. One_Life_To_Give May 2012 #11

I agree but I feel that the laws in many states are reasonable ... spin May 2012 #14

"some guns, places, and circumstances... ...illegal" describes the present state of things slackmaster May 2012 #20

Yes the middle is wide and deep, SoutherDem May 2012 #25

That's one thing I find very frustrating here in MD Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #26

You need to be more specifica about what you mean. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #34

Answer to question SoutherDem May 2012 #39

They're wrong. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #51

Reply SoutherDem May 2012 #55

More on militias. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #57

Agree to Disagree??? SoutherDem May 2012 #63

A few points addressed: PavePusher May 2012 #64

Of course. Atypical Liberal May 2012 #65

I actually drafted a plan to do just that Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #66

Glad to hear it. SoutherDem May 2012 #69

Leaving out the militia... Atypical Liberal May 2012 #71

re: "...majority of those 63% believe that semi-automatic weapons are fully-automatic machine guns." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #67

The 2A, to most people, is unclear. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #40

My Opinion SoutherDem May 2012 #54

My opinions discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #60

Can anyone answer how long citizens have been allowed to own firearms? ileus May 2012 #61

There's never been a outright nationwide ban Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #62

Sorry for the dumb answer/guess... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #68

I read in another thread, it was recently that individuals were permitted ileus May 2012 #70

Maybe that was DU.com.GB discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #72

crystal clear. eom. Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #74