Gun Control & RKBA

DanTex

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114. Hey! You took the first cheap shot at a researcher and professor!

Thu May 3, 2012, 12:18 AM

May 2012

When you said "but it was done by a real scientist in an objective manner", that implied that Wintemute is not a real and objective scientist.

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Baths kill more Japanese then guns kill Americans [View all] hack89 May 2012 OP

Clearly, we need to ban something. Callisto32 May 2012 #1

Suicide in the tub thelordofhell May 2012 #2

Unlikely, Japan has never really had much of a suicide taboo. TheWraith May 2012 #10

IMO a relatively useless, ironically humorous statistic that serves to give a broader perspective slackmaster May 2012 #3

guns kill far fewer Japanese than they do Americans CreekDog May 2012 #4

Just like Americans, they downplay the real killers hack89 May 2012 #8

you're saying bathtub slippages are murders? CreekDog May 2012 #22

Are you always this obtuse? hack89 May 2012 #25

would you advocate safer bathtubs? CreekDog May 2012 #30

I would advocate society concentrating on the real threats to life. nt hack89 May 2012 #82

You must be kidding - Bathtubs? Starboard Tack May 2012 #149

So the actual death toll is irrelevant? At least you are honest. nt hack89 May 2012 #156

another ridiculous straw man...... bowens43 May 2012 #5

Damn - I didn't realize how humor impaired this forum has become. nt hack89 May 2012 #7

Yeah, because the OP was just so hilarious! DanTex May 2012 #23

Not all of us don a hair shirt every day. nt hack89 May 2012 #26

Was that supposed to be funny also? DanTex May 2012 #27

Do you understand what a hair shirt is and why they were worn? nt hack89 May 2012 #29

Maybe an example would help you out. DanTex May 2012 #43

You do wear one! nt hack89 May 2012 #83

Well here's a pot calling the kettle black. Clames May 2012 #101

mods please move this thread Enrique May 2012 #6

So do you pick up the tub to kill someone else with it or use furniture polish... nt Pholus May 2012 #9

Just like Americans, they downplay the real killers in their society hack89 May 2012 #11

I control my time in a bathtub. I have to trust YOU with your gun. Prove you're trustworthy... Pholus May 2012 #12

I have to trust you with your car - prove you're trustworthy... hack89 May 2012 #13

My car is registered. Passing cops can automatically run my tag with a scanner. Pholus May 2012 #14

But none of those are required if you don't drive on public streets. hack89 May 2012 #15

Add gun liability insurance and I might relax. Pholus May 2012 #16

Why? Does car insurance make the roads safer? nt hack89 May 2012 #18

Yes it does as it provides economic incentives to keep driving safer. Pholus May 2012 #20

So perhaps in the case of gun violence, we need to make criminals carry insurance? hack89 May 2012 #24

Naw, auto insurance simply absorbs the cost of nonpayers with higher rates. Pholus May 2012 #34

Most people who own guns DO carry liability insurance, and anyone who rents or owns a home SHOULD slackmaster May 2012 #51

If it covers accidents away from your home as well then you have all I ask. Pholus May 2012 #63

Yes, as do most homeowner's and renter's policies slackmaster May 2012 #69

Registration didn't stop Karst Tates Marengo May 2012 #58

And assassinating the Dutch royal family is relevant how again? Pholus May 2012 #76

In the exceedingly unlikely event you do not understand the point... Marengo May 2012 #86

Because if I were so inclined a gun would be easier. Pholus May 2012 #97

You've answered nothing, which doesn't surprise Marengo May 2012 #103

Obviously you fail when it comes to tool use. Pholus May 2012 #122

Design and intended purpose of the tool used is entirely irrelevant Marengo May 2012 #124

Logic FTW. Why don't you ride your bathrug to work now... Bwahaha. Pholus May 2012 #125

Dodge, eh? Back to the issue: Are you arguing that a car CANNOT be used as a weapon? Marengo May 2012 #127

No. Chevy! So why don't you defend your house with your car? Pholus May 2012 #128

Please cite where I actually stated such a position Marengo May 2012 #131

And I quote: Pholus May 2012 #138

And you fail... Marengo May 2012 #140

Please also provide a cite to prove what you assume I "must believe" Marengo May 2012 #141

I'm back. Deliberate obtuseness is NOT a debating skill. Pholus May 2012 #157

Your bob and weave routine doesn't change the fact that your points in Post 14 were discredited... Marengo May 2012 #158

This from one who cannot answer ONE simple question. Pholus May 2012 #159

LOL! Why do you persist in making ME the subject? Marengo May 2012 #160

By the way, didn't you say you were done with this conversation? Marengo May 2012 #161

I was until I saw the NUMBER of reply posts you made. Pholus May 2012 #162

It has been fun, especially your comical attempts to detour the conversation away... Marengo May 2012 #167

And all I have seen from you Pholus May 2012 #172

If you are leveling an accusation, it would be advisable to ensure Marengo May 2012 #174

As I thought, emotional... Pholus May 2012 #176

Please cite a specific example of where I have expressed.... Marengo May 2012 #177

Pardon me... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #163

No problem. Sadly, you're doing the same thing. Pholus May 2012 #165

Uh, In post 14, did you state that registration would prevent you... Marengo May 2012 #171

Not knowing... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #173

A very good discussion! Pholus May 2012 #175

Yes, you are done, as your claim of "trustworthiness" through registration... Marengo May 2012 #145

Oh, a bit of friendly advice: Pretending not to understand a clear point... Marengo May 2012 #129

When it comes to clarity, I'm not the guy confusing Japanese bathtubs with firearms. nt Pholus May 2012 #130

Uh Huh... Marengo May 2012 #132

Sure. I'm not the guy who thinks I can rub someone out with a volvo at will. nt Pholus May 2012 #134

Uh, are you claiming it can't happen? Marengo May 2012 #135

No, but unlike you I understand which is more likely. nt Pholus May 2012 #136

Likeliness is a non-issue... Marengo May 2012 #144

Would you anti-gun people please make up your minds? shadowrider May 2012 #164

Dude, you must be THIS TALL before posting... Pholus May 2012 #166

sure, i'll register my car, get licensed, agree to follow the laws and carry insurance CreekDog May 2012 #31

car registration gejohnston May 2012 #33

so your answer is "no" CreekDog May 2012 #35

some places do gejohnston May 2012 #37

You really don't want to go there - But we'd love treating guns like cars. DonP May 2012 #38

nice strawman CreekDog May 2012 #39

No strawman. The conversation is to treat guns like cars, right? shadowrider May 2012 #42

not a carbon copy CreekDog May 2012 #46

So in your opinion, treat cars and guns the same, only different shadowrider May 2012 #47

Hey, it was your BIG idea DonP May 2012 #48

Just like "tubs and guns" I guess. Some analogies are OBVIOUSLY more equal than others. Pholus May 2012 #49

I don't expect much from the control side of the discussion and I'm seldom disappointed DonP May 2012 #53

Well said. I think that a good percentage of restriction supporters know their cause is lost. Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #59

Hey, I don't expect much from the freeloaders either Pholus May 2012 #64

I notice you didn't mention buy liability insurance though. Pholus May 2012 #50

Ha! Yes, because licensing guns like cars is such an original suggestion DonP May 2012 #54

At least I use my own words. Pholus May 2012 #62

Ill informed, bitter and a bad haircut is no way to go through life DonP May 2012 #67

No wonder you parrot what other people say... Pholus May 2012 #75

Just like a car, none of that applies to my gun in my house and not carried in public hack89 May 2012 #154

I prove it every day. jeepnstein May 2012 #137

I don't have to prove that I am trustworthy. You have to prove that I am not. oneshooter May 2012 #155

Every two years guns kill as many Americans as died in Vietnam. DanTex May 2012 #17

How many MONTHS does it take for alcohol or tobacco to kill that many? hack89 May 2012 #19

Yeah, Vietnam was blown way out of proportion... DanTex May 2012 #21

Yet I see no proposed laws to ban the use of alcohol and tobacco hack89 May 2012 #28

there are lots of laws about alcohol and tobacco CreekDog May 2012 #32

don't know much about gun laws do you? gejohnston May 2012 #45

There are more.for guns hack89 May 2012 #56

Not a ban, just a rational balance between individual rights and public safety. DanTex May 2012 #36

A rational balance between individual rights and public safety to be decided by anti-gun people? shadowrider May 2012 #40

Yes, and let's let drunk people write the drunk driving laws. DanTex May 2012 #44

They do sarisataka May 2012 #52

Sigh. Straw Man May 2012 #73

Snark is no substitute for logic. DanTex May 2012 #74

Snark and logic can co-exist. Straw Man May 2012 #78

If only you were capable of logic. DanTex May 2012 #80

Who's snarky now? But your logic fails. Straw Man May 2012 #81

Not God. Just google and some common sense. DanTex May 2012 #85

Did I hear you correctly? Straw Man May 2012 #87

Note to self: not all people are capable of abstract thought. DanTex May 2012 #88

Oh, was there an abstraction in there? Straw Man May 2012 #90

Hint: the word "responsible" was in quotations. DanTex May 2012 #91

Which changes nothing. Straw Man May 2012 #94

LOL. Try again! DanTex May 2012 #95

You'll have to do better than that. Straw Man May 2012 #98

I guess you weren't just playing dumb... DanTex May 2012 #100

Was that supposed to be substantive? Straw Man May 2012 #105

Your analysis was "you must be joking". Did I get that right? DanTex May 2012 #107

Yes, Dan, you did. Straw Man May 2012 #111

In my "rarefied intellectual circles", people actually back their accusations with reason. DanTex May 2012 #113

OK, now we're back on track. Straw Man May 2012 #117

You're wrong. Mostly. DanTex May 2012 #119

You still can't see it, can you. Straw Man May 2012 #142

Sorry, you're the one who isn't following. DanTex May 2012 #143

And around and around. Straw Man May 2012 #146

OK, this is getting boring and repetitive. DanTex May 2012 #148

So you're done? Straw Man May 2012 #151

I would like to see the actuall study and methods gejohnston May 2012 #89

You're just a regressive denier. DanTex May 2012 #92

a phone survey in a few states gejohnston May 2012 #93

Your favorite survey of all time was also done in the 1990s. DanTex May 2012 #96

but it was done by a real scientist gejohnston May 2012 #99

LOL! A "real scientist in an objective manner" DanTex May 2012 #102

In other words, gejohnston May 2012 #104

Yeah, Dan has pretty much run out of ... Straw Man May 2012 #106

Well, I do have a peer-reviewed study, which, as usual, you are desperately trying to deny. DanTex May 2012 #108

so was mine. gejohnston May 2012 #109

Hey, you were the one who said I had nothing of substance. That wasn't nice! Or true! DanTex May 2012 #110

I don't know if they do or not gejohnston May 2012 #112

Hey! You took the first cheap shot at a researcher and professor! DanTex May 2012 #114

he is an ER doctor gejohnston May 2012 #115

See, there's another cheap shot! DanTex May 2012 #116

what gun blogs do you read? gejohnston May 2012 #118

Of course it's a cheap shot. DanTex May 2012 #120

which are very few people gejohnston May 2012 #121

So what measure do you use to determine who is worthy of owning a gun or not? hack89 May 2012 #84

I cling to my tub. I am a tub nut. I strap one or two tubs on before I leave the house. Common Sense Party May 2012 #41

Also known as "The Adhesive Duck Deficiency"... EX500rider May 2012 #55

Explaining it made it way less funny. Callisto32 May 2012 #61

so? iverglas May 2012 #57

Maybe someone's suggesting you need a bath. nt Remmah2 May 2012 #70

That includes people who died of natural causes while in the tub Taitertots May 2012 #60

Time to ban indoor plumbing... ileus May 2012 #65

I see the usual suspects bongbong May 2012 #66

Aha! DonP May 2012 #68

LOL bongbong May 2012 #79

Yet you still tuck one away before venturing out. Hoyt May 2012 #71

Very rarely. I live in a very safe area. nt hack89 May 2012 #168

Well, you are one of the first to realize you don't have to pack everywhere. Hoyt May 2012 #169

Many here have said that. You have just ignored them. nt hack89 May 2012 #170

Having spent Meiko May 2012 #72

They'll have to pry off my cold, wet hands LiberalEsto May 2012 #77

Between tubs and guns, which one killed while performing their intended purpose? Pholus May 2012 #123

Guns are only useful for murdering people? hack89 May 2012 #126

I appreciate your point. This point, not your OP. Pholus May 2012 #133

The problem with new laws is that they are aimed at the wrong people hack89 May 2012 #139

I guess suicides don't count as deaths. Starboard Tack May 2012 #147

Suicides are not accidental or criminals deaths. hack89 May 2012 #150

Who said they were? Starboard Tack May 2012 #152

Why don't you wait until the next literal, simplistic black and white thread then? hack89 May 2012 #153