Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

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51. The best perdictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:00 PM

Apr 2012

...or suffering from a variety of other psychological disorders, or the owner of a hair-trigger temper, or just plain rotten

Such people usually get in trouble with the judicial system early in life and acquire a criminal record. I a person has a clean record they are likely to continue to keep it clean. Texas publishes the statistics on people with CHLs who are convicted of crimes. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/ConvictionRatesReport2009.pdf

You will notice that the conviction rates for CHL holders is far lower than the general public, especially for crimes of violence. In 2009 there were 406 convictions for AGG ASSAULT W/DEADLY WEAPON but only four (4) by CHL holders. There were 406 murder convictions but only one (1) by a CHL holder.

Judging a person's risk by their previous behavior has proven to be extremely successful here.

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Guns, Carried Openly or Concealed, Threaten Our Safety [View all] jpak Apr 2012 OP

the VPC tally gejohnston Apr 2012 #1

and everybody here iverglas Apr 2012 #27

"the murder itself would be extremely unlikely to have been committed absent a firearm" rl6214 Apr 2012 #29

it's called iverglas Apr 2012 #37

It's called opinion rl6214 Apr 2012 #126

really? gejohnston Apr 2012 #32

read through the list? iverglas Apr 2012 #36

of course I read it. gejohnston Apr 2012 #41

How Meiko Apr 2012 #74

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW iverglas Apr 2012 #75

There is no need Meiko Apr 2012 #78

The VPC makes the NRA look like a good data source. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #2

That 402 includes 100 pure suicides. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #3

simple question iverglas Apr 2012 #28

Are you a fan of "Minority Report"? GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #40

no idea what it is iverglas Apr 2012 #46

It was one of my points also. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #47

try asking the right question iverglas Apr 2012 #48

Because the voters in a democracy demand it. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #49

really? iverglas Apr 2012 #55

Proof is easy. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #62

apparently answering questions is much harder iverglas Apr 2012 #63

The best perdictor of future behavior is past behavior. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #51

oh sigh iverglas Apr 2012 #56

And you have proof that the " facts and figures" put put by the RCMP are reliable? oneshooter Apr 2012 #81

Well stated. ileus Apr 2012 #59

Couldn't believe you were going there, but you were. Straw Man Apr 2012 #61

if you say so iverglas Apr 2012 #64

Ah, so it's OVERSIGHT you want. Straw Man Apr 2012 #67

it must be the time of night iverglas Apr 2012 #68

Yes, it must be. Straw Man Apr 2012 #76

I've just never heard iverglas Apr 2012 #84

It seems there's much you've never heard of. Straw Man Apr 2012 #87

oh, for fuck's sake iverglas Apr 2012 #91

I love it when you talk dirty. Straw Man Apr 2012 #93

Nobody? Meiko Apr 2012 #77

if you have a question that addresses something I said iverglas Apr 2012 #82

You must be a lot of fun at parties. Straw Man Apr 2012 #90

Nasty mouth too Meiko Apr 2012 #98

She's Canadian. Apparently they have no criminals there. hack89 Apr 2012 #99

are you attributing that statement to me? iverglas Apr 2012 #100

Sorry - didn't realize you supported the public ownership of handguns and other weapons. Sorry. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #101

Thanks Meiko Apr 2012 #105

TRUTH, not that I expect anyone to do anything iverglas Apr 2012 #102

Thanks for the clarification hack89 Apr 2012 #108

oh yeah, you got it iverglas Apr 2012 #111

So you do not support the private ownership of handguns? hack89 Apr 2012 #113

you've been here for over seven years iverglas Apr 2012 #117

It is not like you are known for the clarity of your posts hack89 Apr 2012 #119

actually, it's about as far out of tune iverglas Apr 2012 #121

So this sentiment is actually true? hack89 Apr 2012 #123

sometimes iverglas Apr 2012 #124

I know - that's why I specifically used the word sentiment hack89 Apr 2012 #125

It's Jello. Let it go. PavePusher Apr 2012 #120

So by a similar standard sarisataka Apr 2012 #69

more than one? iverglas Apr 2012 #70

Two personally sarisataka Apr 2012 #85

Huh iverglas Apr 2012 #86

There is a benefit. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #112

So the "actual rate of death and injury" due to drunk drivers is low enough to be acceptable hack89 Apr 2012 #114

a week full of mulberry bushes iverglas Apr 2012 #115

So it is not about facts or evidence but simply "feelings"? At least you are honest about it. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #116

not my cup of tea iverglas Apr 2012 #118

I am glad you decided to come back to the gungeon hack89 Apr 2012 #122

I don't know about hack89 sarisataka Apr 2012 #128

Oh bullshit! OffWithTheirHeads Apr 2012 #4

Perhaps this would help discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #5

Probably more useful than telliing me that guns are bad. OffWithTheirHeads Apr 2012 #11

I'll bet somebody has told you that guns are bad iverglas Apr 2012 #30

There isn't enough in the whole world..... n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #17

I love how the NRA tries to spend shooting around 5 year-olds is a good thing jenwilson Apr 2012 #6

She didn't fire any shots around the five year olds. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #7

Yep only military, police and criminals should have guns. RegieRocker Apr 2012 #9

that's kind of a silly thing to say iverglas Apr 2012 #31

It's rather ignorant to think it's silly. RegieRocker Apr 2012 #133

Check your spell check sarisataka Apr 2012 #8

I carry a gun everyday Meiko Apr 2012 #10

She carried OC as a deterrent Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #14

No I don't oppose Meiko Apr 2012 #15

who are you? iverglas Apr 2012 #33

Why would you walk around Meiko Apr 2012 #71

why would you sit there with your bare face hanging out iverglas Apr 2012 #72

If you think I Meiko Apr 2012 #73

" obnoxious and antisocial " according to who? You? oneshooter Apr 2012 #83

it may surprise you greatly to know iverglas Apr 2012 #89

Lucky for us that ... Straw Man Apr 2012 #92

Her opinions... Clames Apr 2012 #96

Actually Meiko Apr 2012 #97

noooooo iverglas Apr 2012 #103

I think you already knew Meiko Apr 2012 #127

She wasn't necessarily wearing it to protect herself from terrorists. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #94

what - how did I miss this? iverglas Apr 2012 #104

My assumption was AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #107

Thanks for caring enough to carry ileus Apr 2012 #60

snork iverglas Apr 2012 #65

The VPC? Really? beevul Apr 2012 #12

"non-self-defense incidents" krispos42 Apr 2012 #13

They don't threaten my safety. ileus Apr 2012 #16

So private citizens carrying in public scares some people. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #18

But as I've seen posted in the past rl6214 Apr 2012 #23

"So private citizens carrying in public scares some people." iverglas Apr 2012 #34

In many areas LE is required to be armed. They are actually considered to be "on duty" 24-7. oneshooter Apr 2012 #39

are you really pretending to think I am unaware of this? iverglas Apr 2012 #45

Well good for you. If you don't want a question answered, then don't ask it. oneshooter Apr 2012 #50

I didn't ask a question iverglas Apr 2012 #57

Pop goes the weasel. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #52

Police make enemies who would do them harm. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #42

and yet in the rest of the world iverglas Apr 2012 #58

Judges, juries and witnesses. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #79

can you read minds? gejohnston Apr 2012 #43

Never underestimate stupidity. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #134

In the US federal law mandates that they be allowed to carry at all times. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #95

yes, we know that iverglas Apr 2012 #106

got evidence? gejohnston Apr 2012 #109

I don't believe it was a high numbers issue, AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #110

I've never understood the whole intimidation or scary aspect of an OC firearm. ileus Apr 2012 #54

The only time I ever feel threatened... NewMoonTherian Apr 2012 #19

Josh Sugarman?!?!?! HALO141 Apr 2012 #20

Time for another 6pak editorial dump rl6214 Apr 2012 #21

I'm genuinely surprised that Sugarman still has a job anywhere. HALO141 Apr 2012 #24

Not only fraudulent but rl6214 Apr 2012 #25

I would like to thank all the posters Spoonman Apr 2012 #22

Kick her kid off the soccer team HockeyMom Apr 2012 #26

and then she'd sue *them* for a million bucks. iverglas Apr 2012 #35

That's the way rights are expanded. N/T GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #53

what are rights, balloons? iverglas Apr 2012 #66

That would imply... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #38

Scary...scary....gunz...they kill people you know! ileus Apr 2012 #44

Anecdotes do not carry as much weight as statistics gathered over time slackmaster Apr 2012 #80

Wow, the anti-gunners got creamed... Clames Apr 2012 #88

Aint it nice that jpak inadvertantly (and loudly!) broadcasts the fact Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #130

They're getting clobbered worse now: Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #132

No they don't. Pacafishmate Apr 2012 #129

Guns, Carried Openly and concealed, secure our safety ileus Apr 2012 #131