Gun Control & RKBA

Glaug-Eldare

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25. Yes, your logic is ridiculous

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:06 PM

Apr 2012

I'm glad we agree!

Just to make it more explicit..

"Because some gun owners are criminals, the law should assume that gun owners are criminals."

is the same thing as:

"Because some blacks are criminals, the law should assume that blacks are criminals."

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Bill Clinton advises President Obama on Gun Control: 'Don't Bother' [View all] Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 OP

How much of Kenya is urban?????? HereSince1628 Apr 2012 #1

FYI, we don't appreciate birther nonsense here. n/t TPaine7 Apr 2012 #6

But we do appreciate humor, and that was funny. so FYI, chill the fuck out. Schema Thing Apr 2012 #8

Your sarcasm meter appears broken. nt TheWraith Apr 2012 #10

Lighten up Francis Spoonman Apr 2012 #61

Apparently this was sarcasm or humor and I missed the joke. If that's the case, mea culpa. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #35

Do you have a link for this? TheWraith Apr 2012 #2

Oops, forgot link Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #42

thats the kind of thinking tapermaker Apr 2012 #3

Actually no, they're much less accessible now than ever before. TheWraith Apr 2012 #4

can you explain it? Is it because of more guns? DrDan Apr 2012 #7

Can you explain it? TheWraith Apr 2012 #9

Wrong, wrong, wrong! DonP Apr 2012 #13

You wouldn't be so happy to see unicorns OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #33

and how do you justify that conclusion? DrDan Apr 2012 #14

Scientific studies? Clames Apr 2012 #21

please share DrDan Apr 2012 #22

Get to work. Clames Apr 2012 #39

so you want me to prove your claim . . . DrDan Apr 2012 #43

I don't need the proof. Clames Apr 2012 #87

About this talking point... DanTex Apr 2012 #46

No - it just means that millions of Americans can own guns responsibly. hack89 Apr 2012 #12

like in Sanford Florida? DrDan Apr 2012 #15

Anecdotes are not statistics Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #16

he certainly was a gun owner, a ccp-er as well, now wasn't he DrDan Apr 2012 #17

Uh...so? What does the demonstrate? Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #18

it shows that CCPers are not as pure as gun enthusiasts would like to portray DrDan Apr 2012 #19

Because you said a single city name? Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #20

ridiculous . . . and we both know it DrDan Apr 2012 #23

Yes, your logic is ridiculous Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #25

So what are you trying to prove? Clames Apr 2012 #24

1? . . . here is another from this morning DrDan Apr 2012 #27

Oh I sorry, AH1Apache Apr 2012 #29

Wow, one name AH1Apache Apr 2012 #26

yep - pretty much DrDan Apr 2012 #28

So what are you doing to repeal CCW laws? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #30

OK, so... You admit that your position is emotionally based HALO141 Apr 2012 #71

at least I am not making up concusions to suit my purpose DrDan Apr 2012 #76

No, that's exactly what you're doing. HALO141 Apr 2012 #80

and what conclusion did I put forth DrDan Apr 2012 #81

When you are done with that strawman put him back in the barn. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #55

So one tragic death is enough to restrict civil rights? hack89 Apr 2012 #31

I only wish it were only one. . . . DrDan Apr 2012 #32

So you should be happy with the steady decline in gun violence hack89 Apr 2012 #37

I love it bongbong Apr 2012 #38

And every time I point out your lie hack89 Apr 2012 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author AH1Apache Apr 2012 #41

"more guns do not mean more gun violence" - can I assume you are suggesting that the drop is DUE to DrDan Apr 2012 #44

No - just that more guns did not cause more violence hack89 Apr 2012 #47

that being the case, you cannot then claim that "more guns did not cause more violence" DrDan Apr 2012 #48

Well then we will wait for you to buttress your case hack89 Apr 2012 #49

please show where I made that claim DrDan Apr 2012 #57

So what's your point? hack89 Apr 2012 #59

the point is - that is a bogus conclusion DrDan Apr 2012 #65

Now all you have to do is present your facts that prove your opinion. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #67

the point I am trying to make, is that the conclusion so frequently stated in this forum is bogus DrDan Apr 2012 #68

You think present gun control laws are inadequate. hack89 Apr 2012 #69

and you think your opinion about being safer with increasing gun sales is anything but "opinion and DrDan Apr 2012 #72

There is hard evidence that the rate of gun violence is down significantly hack89 Apr 2012 #73

please show me the evidence that more guns = less gun violence DrDan Apr 2012 #75

Can't. All I can show is a drastic decline in gun violence in the past 30 years. hack89 Apr 2012 #77

but stricter gun laws might bring it down even further - so understanding the cause would be a good DrDan Apr 2012 #78

Perhaps - lets see what you come up with first. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #79

About this talking point... DanTex Apr 2012 #45

And yet your odds of being shot have never been lower. hack89 Apr 2012 #50

Your odds of being shot are 5 to 10 times lower in other developed nations with tighter gun laws. DanTex Apr 2012 #51

We have to get to a bottom line, don't we? hack89 Apr 2012 #52

say it . . . . "we are safer because of more guns" . . . . that is certainly your implication DrDan Apr 2012 #58

No it is not. Guns are irrelevant to the conversation. hack89 Apr 2012 #60

matter of opinion DrDan Apr 2012 #63

Then start posting your facts. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #66

++ cbrer Apr 2012 #70

Your odds of being violently assaulted... Clames Apr 2012 #54

But their violence crime rate is higher. N/T GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #56

Some higher, some lower. DanTex Apr 2012 #64

Oh really? Clames Apr 2012 #88

LOL. Even among pro-gunners you stand out for your cluelessness! DanTex Apr 2012 #89

Let's read the whole thing and... Clames Apr 2012 #90

I'm not sure why I even try and have rational discussions with people like you. DanTex Apr 2012 #93

Good - the status quo seems to be working fine then hack89 Apr 2012 #94

Obviously, the status quo is not working fine. DanTex Apr 2012 #96

But those rates are steadily declining hack89 Apr 2012 #97

Yes, but they could be much lower. DanTex Apr 2012 #99

I favor legalizing drugs because of the financial drain on America hack89 Apr 2012 #100

How about both safety nets and gun laws? DanTex Apr 2012 #101

Several reasons hack89 Apr 2012 #102

Another lie from you bongbong Apr 2012 #82

So you have no idea if more guns are a problem hack89 Apr 2012 #83

Oh boy bongbong Apr 2012 #85

And yet you keep spewing... Clames Apr 2012 #86

ok - I will simply say that your odds of being shot have never been lower. hack89 Apr 2012 #92

Yes bongbong Apr 2012 #105

Why don't you come back when you can actually prove that assertion? With real studies and facts. hack89 Apr 2012 #106

asjk bongbong Apr 2012 #107

Sorry - thought you were trying to make a point hack89 Apr 2012 #108

Appalling lack of understanding about statistical analysis Captain Lee Apr 2012 #95

If you had actually taken a class in statistics, you'd know better. DanTex Apr 2012 #98

Thanx bongbong Apr 2012 #104

Yes, appalling bongbong Apr 2012 #103

"guns are more accessable now" really? DonP Apr 2012 #5

In the 1960's you could order guns by mail order delivered straight to your doorstep. hack89 Apr 2012 #11

You can if you Meiko Apr 2012 #34

That wasn't necessary then. hack89 Apr 2012 #36

Have you ever actually acquired one, or are you just guessing as to how "accessable" they are? slackmaster Apr 2012 #53

Not a whole lot left to say Spoonman Apr 2012 #62

Yeah, is this a great country or what? jeepnstein Apr 2012 #74

Wise words... Xela Apr 2012 #84

Right Bill. Your adventures in gun restriction worked out so well for the Democratic Party. Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #91