Gun Control & RKBA

sylvi

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51. It's an empty exercise

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 04:43 PM

Apr 2012

It's an empty exercise, trying to discuss facts, evidence and logic with someone at the mercy of magical thinking. The person you're addressing is another one of the true believers in the Church Of Zimmerman Guilt™, and no amount of evidence (or lack thereof) this side of hell will make them any more objective. And like all good fundamentalists, if you disagree with them or ask for proof of something, they'll label you as being on the "other side".

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Georgia gun rights group wants suit over stand-your-ground law dismissed [View all] jpak Apr 2012 OP

Figures. GeorgiaCarry is sponsored by a bunch of gun manufacturers and gun stores. Hoyt Apr 2012 #1

And another Hoytism to add to the growing collection AH1Apache Apr 2012 #2

Well Hoyt, what are you personally doing to overturn SYG in Georgia? shadowrider Apr 2012 #6

Where the fuck do you come up with this crap AH1Apache Apr 2012 #3

Zimmerman jpak Apr 2012 #4

You don't know that yet AH1Apache Apr 2012 #7

His 911 tapes say otherwise - "black" "up to no good" "on something" jpak Apr 2012 #9

Are you fucking serious AH1Apache Apr 2012 #10

but you claim I am "dishonest" - too bad jpak Apr 2012 #12

When you say shit like the backlash is here AH1Apache Apr 2012 #13

Defend Zimmerman - no apology from me jpak Apr 2012 #14

More of the same old same old from jpak AH1Apache Apr 2012 #16

He said "black" in direct response to a question. He didn't volunteer it. shadowrider Apr 2012 #11

If Trayvon was white - he would be alive today jpak Apr 2012 #15

And you know this how? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #17

He is black and dead - shot by a racist vigilante who is free and alive today jpak Apr 2012 #20

Do you actually believe the crap you post? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #24

Trayvon was shot while screaming for help jpak Apr 2012 #27

They don't know for sure who was yelling for help. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #30

His mother said it was her son yelling for help - after being hunted down by an armed racist jpak Apr 2012 #34

Of course his mother is going to say that AH1Apache Apr 2012 #38

So you have convicted him, without a trial. oneshooter Apr 2012 #40

And his father said it wasn't him. shadowrider Apr 2012 #43

Really? Post the link. jpak Apr 2012 #52

Tell you what Jpak shadowrider Apr 2012 #57

It's an empty exercise sylvi Apr 2012 #51

First post I've seen from you in this group shadowrider Apr 2012 #55

I've posted here a few times before sylvi Apr 2012 #65

Don't forget "racist vigilante apologist" AH1Apache Apr 2012 #58

Not if he'd attacked Zimmerman ileus Apr 2012 #19

He was racially profiled, hunted down and shot by Zimmerman jpak Apr 2012 #21

That's not what I heard. ileus Apr 2012 #22

The 911 tapes say otherwise jpak Apr 2012 #23

What snippets, exactly, of this NON 911 call indicate that? shadowrider Apr 2012 #25

Did you hear the NBC ones? gejohnston Apr 2012 #53

See my post 50. If the transcript I relied on is accurate, Zimmerman's words give him away. n/t TPaine7 Apr 2012 #56

This just gets better and better. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #26

Show us the proof that he racially profiled Trayvon. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #28

OK jpak Apr 2012 #32

plus he had a mean gun... ileus Apr 2012 #35

Youv'e proven nothing AH1Apache Apr 2012 #36

Why is a teenager "suspicious" or "no good'" and "on something" walking back home with candy? jpak Apr 2012 #39

This gets funnier and funnier AH1Apache Apr 2012 #41

racist guns kill people...donjaknow ileus Apr 2012 #42

I must agree with you here, jpak TPaine7 Apr 2012 #50

Youv'e edited out the portion where the police asked for identifying information. PavePusher Apr 2012 #59

I think you are misreading my point. It is a different one from the fake point made by editing on TV TPaine7 Apr 2012 #62

I'm not seeing the connection you claim (hands in waistband=black). PavePusher Apr 2012 #74

My point was certainly not "hands in waistband=black"; that would be nonsense. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #75

Context sylvi Apr 2012 #63

Possibly TPaine7 Apr 2012 #66

You and I normally agree on a lot o things but on this we disagree shadowrider Apr 2012 #67

He didn't say that Trayvon was high or armed, he said things designed to give the impression TPaine7 Apr 2012 #69

Also sylvi Apr 2012 #71

I grant that it's not necessarily as definitive as I first thought after reading it. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #72

I have no side either sylvi Apr 2012 #73

That was said AFTER the dispatcher asked him the race of the guy he was following shadowrider Apr 2012 #64

Yes it was said after. Quite a while after the issue of race had been addressed. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #68

People often repeat themselves when making reports to police. Stress does that to people. PavePusher Apr 2012 #76

While I have already conceded that my reading might be wrong in some respects, TPaine7 Apr 2012 #77

I doubt it. gejohnston Apr 2012 #49

It may be true that race played a definitive role; see post 50. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #54

could be, but gejohnston Apr 2012 #60

The NBC edits are quite irrelevant to my point n/t TPaine7 Apr 2012 #70

I need a good laugh and watching you and Hoyt on the same thread is fascinating entertainment shadowrider Apr 2012 #5

It's really quite fascinating AH1Apache Apr 2012 #8

Hoyte hasn't accused anyone of something he made up yet has he? ileus Apr 2012 #45

Give him time AH1Apache Apr 2012 #47

Let's hope it's tossed out...now is not the time to go backwards. ileus Apr 2012 #18

You're right. How about this racist vigilante incident that you have yet to weigh in on shadowrider Apr 2012 #29

No outrage from jpak AH1Apache Apr 2012 #31

That's fine...the good guys were getting revenge for the zimmerman shooting. ileus Apr 2012 #33

That was a robbery - not a racist lynch mob jpak Apr 2012 #37

Wow AH1Apache Apr 2012 #44

you know, carbon footprint reduction program.... ileus Apr 2012 #46

I see. So a guy is executed, did not stand his ground, did not fight, and no outrage from you. shadowrider Apr 2012 #48

A robbery that ended up as a murder ... spin Apr 2012 #61