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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
429. You found the victim, Summer Moody, guilty.
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:23 PM
Apr 2012

All I'm doing is pointing out that there's another POSSIBLE side of the story that the gun lovers don't seem to want to think about.

I am thinking that the SYG/Castle Doctrine does not apply Meiko Apr 2012 #1
Actually they fired at intruders that had broken down the door of their cabin jtuck004 Apr 2012 #5
. The police didn't say they shot because they were startled or threatened, pnwmom Apr 2012 #12
Startled by the attempted break-in, two men fired rifles in the darkness at the intruders... jtuck004 Apr 2012 #34
All we have now is the adults word for it that the teens were breaking in. pnwmom Apr 2012 #39
They weren't just messing around, they are suspected of having committed criminal acts, and. jtuck004 Apr 2012 #74
You don't know they weren't just messing around. They are only SUSPECTS. pnwmom Apr 2012 #80
I don't know, and neither do you. But three were arrested and charged, jtuck004 Apr 2012 #84
And hopefully the investigation of men without permits shooting a girl in the head continues. pnwmom Apr 2012 #94
No permit required for private property, or rifles, in Alabama, that I can see. PavePusher Apr 2012 #124
What permits were needed? Fishing license, boat registration, oneshooter Apr 2012 #125
The girl's attorney brought up the lack of a gun permit at the press conference. pnwmom Apr 2012 #128
Fresh splintered wood around the door jam. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #344
That could have happened the night before, or a few days before. And by other burglars. pnwmom Apr 2012 #445
And the couples would have heard the day before HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #446
Who said the couples checked all the cabins the day before? They said the only reason they heard pnwmom Apr 2012 #456
Felony Murder rule should apply... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #2
How about the guy how SHOT her? DiverDave Apr 2012 #3
paranoid gun nuts are a dime a dozen Skittles Apr 2012 #4
+1000 nt abelenkpe Apr 2012 #20
+1,000,000 ellisonz Apr 2012 #37
So are keyboard commandos that like throwing about anti-gun bigotry. rl6214 Apr 2012 #97
"anti-gun bigotry"? What would that be, exactly? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #255
Despite your claims of ignorance, you know exactly what I'm talking about rl6214 Apr 2012 #389
What claims of ignorance are you refering to? You're not very coherent. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #403
Again the claimed ignorance...or maybe it's not just claimed? rl6214 Apr 2012 #424
I seek clarity and you accuse me of ignorance. LOL Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #427
Welcome to the ignore list. ;) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #137
*trumpets* discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #139
SEE #141 Skittles Apr 2012 #142
no thanks but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #144
you know I was trained to shoot in the miliary, right? Skittles Apr 2012 #145
please... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #147
knowing the difference between responsible gun use and gun nuttery Skittles Apr 2012 #148
AFAIC... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #151
OK Skittles Apr 2012 #152
So is knowing the difference between reasonable restrictions and gun grabbery. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #378
As was I. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #377
But do you shoot enough since then to keep your"skills" up to par? oneshooter Apr 2012 #381
aw poor BABY Skittles Apr 2012 #141
And paranoid gun grabbers as well. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #376
It was worse than that. The men chased the kids down, according to the police, pnwmom Apr 2012 #13
If this proves to be the case, SYG doesn't apply... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #30
I kind of doubt the men carded them first. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #213
No one was breaking into their own camp area, and there is nothing in the Castle Doctrine pnwmom Apr 2012 #215
Committing armed burglary = "goofing around"? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #253
There is no evidence yet that they were committing burglary, much less armed burglary. pnwmom Apr 2012 #271
Theres enough evidence to charge them with 1st degree burglary, HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #284
Being charged with something isn't equivalent to being found guilty at trial. pnwmom Apr 2012 #443
you are pronouncing the adults of being gejohnston Apr 2012 #449
No, I'm not. pnwmom Apr 2012 #454
it did come off that way gejohnston Apr 2012 #459
I guess I spoke too soon. The fishermen do have criminal records. pnwmom Apr 2012 #461
"I cant find fault with them firing warning shots." Really? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #257
I am amazed... sarisataka Apr 2012 #258
Except the teens were armed burglars. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #269
A warning shot... sarisataka Apr 2012 #282
Teens had a rifle, and were committing felonies. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #293
Um... sarisataka Apr 2012 #383
She was there at the cabin during the break in. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #384
I never said she was completely innocent sarisataka Apr 2012 #385
The teens were armed. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #387
Id agree with that. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #447
You hit on the point that people would wish away sarisataka Apr 2012 #448
Yes, I agree completely! HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #450
Wrong. She wasn't an accomplice merely by being in the vicinity. No evidence pnwmom Apr 2012 #444
you think the media is going to actually gejohnston Apr 2012 #451
There was a lot of wild speculation by the media in the initial reporting HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #453
Still pushing the dumb blonde defense? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #452
And if they had shot the one with the rifle, anti's would be screaming, "Why didn't he fire shadowrider Apr 2012 #406
where were you when I needed you? gejohnston Apr 2012 #260
What goes up must come down, right? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #261
instead of a starter pistol, gejohnston Apr 2012 #263
Dont break in to peoples houses, right? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #272
I don't know what this girl was doing. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #292
this was not a populated area gejohnston Apr 2012 #295
Apparently it was populated enough, unless he was aiming at her. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #312
Thats utter bullshit. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #296
You don't know she was "drinking and doing drugs." There has been absolutely nothing in the press pnwmom Apr 2012 #306
Sherriffs report says they were partying. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #310
I already explained this to you. The gunmen had to load the girl up in their boat and take her off pnwmom Apr 2012 #326
More of your fabrications, huh? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #336
I'm not telling a lie, I'm saying that there is a possibility that the gunmen were drinking, pnwmom Apr 2012 #341
So, teenagers "partying" is now a crime punishable by extralegal summary execution? baldguy Apr 2012 #404
It cannot be ignored as one of several increasingly bad decisions she made that night HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #411
I guess you slept through the lesson on gravity Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #307
Alabama law permits a lethal shot. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #311
Alabama permits a "lethal shot" against whom? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #313
Alabama law allowed them to shoot to kill. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #267
Not according to two local criminal defense attorneys who were interviewed in this case. pnwmom Apr 2012 #273
They werent aiming at her. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #280
It isn't DEFENSE to shoot people in the back or in the back of the neck. pnwmom Apr 2012 #289
Alabama law allows it to protect life AND property. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #298
The Alabama criminal attorneys who were interviewed on TV said that isn't true. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #302
Then they didnt read the law. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #315
There's nothing in that law that says it's okay to shoot bystanders in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #324
She wasnt a bystander, she was committing armed felonies. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #352
She wasn't armed. And there's been no evidence showing she was an accomplice. pnwmom Apr 2012 #360
If she commits a felony with others who are armed, HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #367
warning shots are reasonable only if gejohnston Apr 2012 #276
Where does it say they were armed Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #279
Sherriffs report says teens were armed with a rifle. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #291
Have you seen the sheriff's report? I wasn't aware one had been released. I'd love to see the names pnwmom Apr 2012 #328
Excerpts are posted within the thread. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #346
I repeatedly gave you links when you asked for them. I've seen no link to an actual pnwmom Apr 2012 #351
Repeatedly? Bwahaha. I only asked once. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #371
Sherriffs statements and/or links HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #374
I'm guessing gejohnston Apr 2012 #294
I havent seen those details. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #300
"And since the teens were armed, it wouldnt have been prudent to confront them." ellisonz Apr 2012 #402
Its rather difficult to conceal a rifle in your pocket. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #413
The fishermen's own attorney doesn't say anything about being afraid because the teens had weapons. pnwmom Apr 2012 #432
Oh, you mean... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #22
or perhaps the guy who pursued and shot her in the back of the head? frylock Apr 2012 #38
No, the guys who chased the kids on foot and shot one of them in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #43
Really? Brkh Apr 2012 #87
The shooter wasn't in his home or even in his fishing camp. He followed the teens in a boat. pnwmom Apr 2012 #156
During the commission of a crime... krispos42 Apr 2012 #365
I don't see evidence that they actually committed a felony. The only one who I'm sure did so pnwmom Apr 2012 #11
The only one who I'm sure did so is the one who chase her rl6214 Apr 2012 #99
The only fact we know is that someone shot her in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #100
Sherriffs say the teens were breaking and entering. Thats a felony. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #184
Has the rule of "innocent until proven guilty" been repealed? pnwmom Apr 2012 #185
Innocent until proven guilty applies to a court of law. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #189
If the gunmen hadn't heard some sounds, and decided to cross a river to get to them, pnwmom Apr 2012 #274
Still making shit up, huh? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #308
You're the one sounding like a Zimmerman defender. He's the vigilante, just like pnwmom Apr 2012 #354
What happened to your staunch defense of "innocent until proven guilty"? shadowrider Apr 2012 #407
If the kids had not been drunk and breaking in... cleanhippie Apr 2012 #379
I challenge you to show me a single media report that the teens were drunk. pnwmom Apr 2012 #392
It's in the same report you keep citing that the fishermen were probably drunk DonP Apr 2012 #414
It's the possible drinking of the shooters that is relevant, not of the teen victim. pnwmom Apr 2012 #417
you don't get the context gejohnston Apr 2012 #418
Here's a link to information from one of the fishermen's attorneys. pnwmom Apr 2012 #431
If the kids had been armed, maybe. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #106
Sherriffs say one of them was armed. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #186
Felony Murder is from Common Law caseymoz Apr 2012 #439
And if you ask me... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #440
However, statutory and case law says . . . caseymoz Apr 2012 #441
I agree. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #457
What is barbaric about Felony Murder? HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #455
Anotheer innocent victim sacrificed the the gun gods. baldguy Apr 2012 #6
Thieves==innocent? SATIRical Apr 2012 #29
How do we know they were thieves, and not just kids messing around pnwmom Apr 2012 #45
"The juveniles were charged with third-degree burglary" SATIRical Apr 2012 #59
Yes, they were charged, based on what the shooters told them. But it wouldn't pnwmom Apr 2012 #60
Based on what the shooters told them? SATIRical Apr 2012 #66
I agree, it would make no sense for the police or anyone else pnwmom Apr 2012 #71
No, it doesn't appear that is what happened SATIRical Apr 2012 #83
When I go camping and fishing I NEVER take along beer. rl6214 Apr 2012 #103
Do you think most groups of men never take beer? n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #157
I don't think "most" groups of anyone ever do anything. rl6214 Apr 2012 #166
So Thieves should be SHOT? DiverDave Apr 2012 #92
Amazing, isn't it? The gun owner as judge, jury, and executioner -- all over some stuff. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #96
I gather you are not a big fan of Castle Doctrine? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #146
Not if it means appointing to yourself the power of judge, jury, and executioner pnwmom Apr 2012 #158
Again I was replying to the broad statement, which I read as not limited to the specifics of this ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #160
"Armed" could mean one of them had a pocket knife. pnwmom Apr 2012 #163
What I read was that the young people had brought a firearm with them ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #167
Yup. And, like I said, I'd like to see some of the adults' names. pnwmom Apr 2012 #168
They will have to be at some point. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #171
HE WASN'T BEING THREATENED WHEN HE SHOT @ THEM DiverDave Apr 2012 #212
The teens were armed. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #217
That hasn't been proven. And the "weapon" hasn't even been named. pnwmom Apr 2012 #222
Sherriffs say teens had a rifle. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #250
uh-huh, and you know this how? DiverDave Apr 2012 #225
Report in the media about why the charges were raised to 1st degree ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #233
Sherriffs report says the teens had a gun. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #252
The victim DID NOT have a gun. baldguy Apr 2012 #405
Doesnt matter if she was holding a gun. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #412
You posted a general comment and got a general reply ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #232
Who said that? I certainly didn't. SATIRical Apr 2012 #242
Please indicate where the story says that the innocent victim was a thief. baldguy Apr 2012 #107
If the shooters were afraid, why did they leave their own camp, pnwmom Apr 2012 #173
Their guns were magical talismans protecting them from the demons in the night. baldguy Apr 2012 #226
Do you have a link for this? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #265
Here's a link. pnwmom Apr 2012 #275
Right after you indicate where in the story the teens were innocent SATIRical Apr 2012 #244
Kicking in doors on other people's property is "innocent" to you? DonP Apr 2012 #36
Chasing down suspected burglars on foot and shooting them in the back of the head pnwmom Apr 2012 #42
As soon as we know if that actually happened we'll talk - or were you actually there? DonP Apr 2012 #58
Here's an interview with some investigator, where he says the teens were chased. pnwmom Apr 2012 #81
So, if the person standing next to you commits a crime, you should be punished for it? baldguy Apr 2012 #108
they do in France gejohnston Apr 2012 #111
The only people waiving guns around were the yahoos in the cabin. baldguy Apr 2012 #119
you missed the point gejohnston Apr 2012 #123
Police are now stating that the young people had a gun with them ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #161
I've only heard the word "weapon" used. Have you seen an actual claim of a gun? pnwmom Apr 2012 #174
Yes...to deal with gators vice armed robbery. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #177
Interesting, thanks. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #187
Good for a laugh as always rl6214 Apr 2012 #101
You're right - murder is very rarely "funny". baldguy Apr 2012 #109
Wow, what a loss for her friends and family. Lunabelle Apr 2012 #7
Burglary, eh? Callisto32 Apr 2012 #8
The shooters should be looking at murder charges. What gave them the right, pnwmom Apr 2012 #197
Whoa, whoa, whoa... Callisto32 Apr 2012 #228
Alabama law gives them the right. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #318
And why is this guy not being charged with murder? SaltyBro Apr 2012 #9
The article actually says that no charges have been filed . . . yet. The investigation is ongoing. pnwmom Apr 2012 #10
If she was an accomplice to a felony, she wasnt innocent. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #52
The only real fact we know is that she was hit in the back of her head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #95
Yes, no facts yet. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #182
She wouldn't be an accomplice unless they were planning to burglarize and she knew that. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #183
She was close enogh to the action to get shot. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #192
I was once with a friend in a store and, all of a sudden, pnwmom Apr 2012 #195
Sounds like she was hanging with the wrong crowd. ileus Apr 2012 #14
Or maybe the teen crowd was outside fooling around pnwmom Apr 2012 #46
You are just a laugh riot! DonP Apr 2012 #64
your kinda fucking funny yourself.. frylock Apr 2012 #88
I don't know they were drinking. I'm saying my possible scenario about the men is just as valid pnwmom Apr 2012 #98
it is entirely possible that gejohnston Apr 2012 #102
"The point is we don't have the facts yet." rl6214 Apr 2012 #115
A bunch of people here instantly bought the idea that the teens were burglars. pnwmom Apr 2012 #118
The sherriffs say they were committing armed burglaries. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #194
Yeah, and sheriffs have never arrested people who turned out to be innocent? pnwmom Apr 2012 #196
Someone will be charged sarisataka Apr 2012 #15
I'm with you on this one ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #25
The DA says there's not enough evidence to charge them. Sound familiar? pnwmom Apr 2012 #199
I note the DA says sarisataka Apr 2012 #251
I'm guessing gejohnston Apr 2012 #254
But why not name all three adults who were present as having been there? pnwmom Apr 2012 #281
good question gejohnston Apr 2012 #286
Reports today said that the prosecutor won't be charging the shooter. Maybe we'll never know. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #304
Yup. Ain't nothin' more terrifyin' to a man than a 17 year old girl. aquart Apr 2012 #16
My brother and a bunch of his friends used abelenkpe Apr 2012 #21
+1. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #47
Big, brave men. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #17
What would you have done? Remmah2 Apr 2012 #19
NOT what these gunslingin' idiots did. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #24
Do you think the teens bear any responsibility in this? Remmah2 Apr 2012 #26
Yes, I'd also like to know if the fisherman who did the shooting was alcohol-impaired. pnwmom Apr 2012 #49
As do I. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #55
Would you chase them on foot across the campground, pnwmom Apr 2012 #48
Another Second Amendment Solution - All Hail the Gun Heros! jpak Apr 2012 #18
Fish camp? What kind of fishing were they doing with guns? Hoyt Apr 2012 #23
what happened to riverwalker Apr 2012 #27
At 4am in a fishing camp, I'd be willing to bet there aren't too many lights around rl6214 Apr 2012 #117
The kids were too far away to do that. So, instead, the fisherman pnwmom Apr 2012 #198
Where does it say this? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #278
Here's a picture of the "slough" they had to cross to get to where the teens were. pnwmom Apr 2012 #287
The fisherman were already there WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #290
I'm rather sure... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #28
That article u linked to just says a 16 Y/O kid was charged for shooting someone. moobu2 Apr 2012 #32
My mistake... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #33
More details in the case. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #31
So you think it is okay to chase burglars down and shoot them in the back of the head? pnwmom Apr 2012 #40
No. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #50
That's what the police are saying happened. And if that is the case, pnwmom Apr 2012 #56
I have not heard that. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #57
Here's a link to an interview with an investigator who says they were chased. pnwmom Apr 2012 #82
And a lesson for yahoos with guns that killing someone when not much is at stake is Hoyt Apr 2012 #178
Here's a Google Earth map of where this happened. moobu2 Apr 2012 #35
I think that's a reasonable possibility. It's possible the kids were just messing around pnwmom Apr 2012 #41
"Exploring" at 4am. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #51
An hour ago... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #44
Shot while hiding. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #53
re: "...up to no good." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #54
I think it's worse than risky and stupid to chase a teen down and shoot her in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #62
At this point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #67
Yes, and George Zimmerman wasn't charged for how long? pnwmom Apr 2012 #69
The Alabama game department gejohnston Apr 2012 #75
So what happens if they are innocent? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #76
As I said... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #78
People should not be able to execute others for the crime of taking their property. pnwmom Apr 2012 #79
I disagree. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #89
So you would shot someone over STUFF? DiverDave Apr 2012 #227
I am authorized by law to do so. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #234
The Alabama criminal attorneys who were interviewed on TV said that isn't true. pnwmom Apr 2012 #288
That is not the way I read the law. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #299
"Is committing" or is "about to commit" is not the same as "did commit." pnwmom Apr 2012 #301
Sounds like a question for a court to decide. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #305
If you are in your own home, the burglar doesn't have to be confronting you -- correct. pnwmom Apr 2012 #309
Alabama law does not stipulate a location such as a home. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #316
Nothing in that law applies to innocent bystanders, and there's been no evidence pnwmom Apr 2012 #323
It's pretty clear that she was with the boys and at least the boys were commiting a crime. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #325
Castle Doctrine presumes hostile intent to do GBI or kill ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #150
The shooter wasn't threatened in his castle. He was in a fishing camp consisting of some pnwmom Apr 2012 #153
I was responding to your broad generalization in the title to post 79... ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #155
I think you're justified in shooting back if armed intruders invade your home pnwmom Apr 2012 #162
Problem is that its hard to tell if the intruders are armed or not ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #170
But how would the Castle Doctrine apply in this situation, if it is true pnwmom Apr 2012 #172
Again...general comments in response to general comments, and then specifics on this case ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #176
This is a link to an article and video including comments from a two local criminal defense pnwmom Apr 2012 #188
So when do you want these men executed? You already have found them guilty. oneshooter Apr 2012 #382
depends on the state gejohnston Apr 2012 #164
But it wouldn't apply in the case where you LEFT your current quarters and got in a boat pnwmom Apr 2012 #165
Look at the sattellite picture. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #200
Here's a link to some comments made by 2 local criminal defense attorneys pnwmom Apr 2012 #201
Doesn't matter. Alabama law allows deadly force to stop robbery and burglary in any degree. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #236
Does Alabama law allow people with cocaine trafficking convictions to shoot unarmed teenagers? pnwmom Apr 2012 #462
federal law prohibits gejohnston Apr 2012 #463
I wonder that, too. Hearn's lawyer says he doesn't own a gun. pnwmom Apr 2012 #464
doesn't matter gejohnston Apr 2012 #465
It was the Sheriff who repeatedly used the word "gentlemen" to describe them -- I know pnwmom Apr 2012 #466
the lynch mob was not against the teens gejohnston Apr 2012 #467
You must have missed all of those comments. pnwmom Apr 2012 #468
their crimes were obvious gejohnston Apr 2012 #469
The Sheriff had to know early on about the records of the fishermen. pnwmom Apr 2012 #470
Could be gejohnston Apr 2012 #471
She was shot in the back of the head. Of course she was hiding -- she was probably terrified. pnwmom Apr 2012 #61
That's not the current description of events. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #63
Yeah, they probably shoot bushes all the time. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #65
Wait, I seem to remember you being a proponent of 'warning shots'.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #68
Better than in the back of a young girl's head, my friend. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #85
Yeah, let's see you explain... Clames Apr 2012 #90
A warning shot killed this girl. Hard to imagine a worse outcome. X_Digger Apr 2012 #91
If what the deputy said today was true -- that the fisherman heard some noises on the other side pnwmom Apr 2012 #169
We'll see what the investigation turns up. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #70
Absolutely. And if you're going to fire a warning shot, shoot it into the dirt at your own feet. pnwmom Apr 2012 #73
You should never fire warning shots. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #77
No, no, no, we were told here just last week the warning shot should be into a door that someone rl6214 Apr 2012 #121
But the anti-gun zealots claimed just last week that you should fire a warning shot into a door rl6214 Apr 2012 #120
There is an equally "current" description saying that the shooters pnwmom Apr 2012 #72
Let me help you with that DonP Apr 2012 #86
It's not legal for civilians to shoot at "escaping criminals." That's not self-defense. pnwmom Apr 2012 #104
what permit? gejohnston Apr 2012 #105
This article mentions the lack of a permit, among other issues. pnwmom Apr 2012 #110
I am guessing it is fishing or hunting permits gejohnston Apr 2012 #113
No, the article specifically referred to a gun permit. I don't know any more than that. pnwmom Apr 2012 #114
search me gejohnston Apr 2012 #116
See comment #124. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #126
The attorney was the one who mentioned a gun permit. pnwmom Apr 2012 #127
Not exactly.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #129
I live in Alabama. No permit is required except for concealed weapons. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #321
Kids being kids. baldguy Apr 2012 #112
That's the risk you take when you burgle. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #130
Read the damn story! She wasn't trying to burgle ANYTHING! baldguy Apr 2012 #132
So get off of your ass and start! Get a petition up to change the law. oneshooter Apr 2012 #133
It's certainly time to get the guns... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #135
Please show where the story indicates that THE VICTIM was carrying a gun. baldguy Apr 2012 #140
I'm not making excuses. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #143
How is that irrelevant? The victim was completely non-threatening. pnwmom Apr 2012 #203
I hold... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #239
It's simple, Simple: if she didn't have a gun she was not a deadly threat, or a lawful target. baldguy Apr 2012 #224
BOTH IN THE WRONG discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #241
Though well I know the passion of the argument, its premature to call them murderers ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #159
Yet another specious attempt to argue that inanimate objects can compel behavior ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #154
Lay off the hyperbole. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #175
I did read the story. She was with 3 other boys arrested for 1st-degree burglary - they had a gun. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #229
Huh? She was in the area of the cabin HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #317
You're repeating falsehoods. pnwmom Apr 2012 #332
Report says she was "some feet away from the cabin" HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #348
"Some feet" could be six feet, or 60 feet, or 100 feet. That tells us nothing about distance pnwmom Apr 2012 #349
Less than 30 feet. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #366
They weren't protecting either lives or property when they shot a person in the back of the head. pnwmom Apr 2012 #372
Law is cited in posts 240 and 364 HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #373
The law is quite explicit that lethal force is only allowed when you're protecting human life pnwmom Apr 2012 #393
Wrong. It says nothing about a dwelling. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #394
There is ZERO evidence so far that the injured girl participated in any burglary. pnwmom Apr 2012 #395
"Zero evidence"? Bwahahaha! HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #419
you don't get it gejohnston Apr 2012 #420
Oh, I see. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #422
Not to me. I think she and Trayvon were both the victims of trigger-happy vigilantes. pnwmom Apr 2012 #428
Really? beevul Apr 2012 #401
Would you extend this course of action to objects/devices used as weapons? Marengo Apr 2012 #475
Did I miss a trial? Those teens are still innocent until proven guilty, aren't they? pnwmom Apr 2012 #193
Of course they are. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #230
That's rich. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #314
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #363
Kids being armed robbers. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #237
Burglarizing a shack while holding a rifle is "kids being kids?" chrisa Apr 2012 #425
You didn't even bother to read the story in the OP, did you? baldguy Apr 2012 #430
I certainly would not have fired if she were 15-30 ft away but rl6214 Apr 2012 #93
The murder victim **wasn't** "attempting to burgalarize ANYTHING". baldguy Apr 2012 #122
She's not dead yet.. Clames Apr 2012 #131
Shot in the back of the head, cerebellum & cerebrum turned to jelly. baldguy Apr 2012 #134
Let's wait for the medical professionals... Clames Apr 2012 #136
"no such qualifications" discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #138
The reports are very grim. But whether she is a murder victim pnwmom Apr 2012 #190
True, she didnt attack anyone. She was merely an accomplice to armed birglary. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #202
Did I miss a trial? Who has been convicted of burglary or of being an accomplice? pnwmom Apr 2012 #205
They were charged with armed burglary HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #214
How do you know the "evidence" was not from a previous break-in committed by other burglars? pnwmom Apr 2012 #216
I suspect the sherriffs can tell when a door has been recently kicked in HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #245
They couldn't tell if it had been kicked in by someone else a few days before. pnwmom Apr 2012 #334
They have had a trial, you have already given them one, right here in DU. oneshooter Apr 2012 #388
You are right, someone needs to train more for shooting teenager in back of head. Hoyt Apr 2012 #179
"The murder victim **wasn't** "attempting to burgalarize ANYTHING"." rl6214 Apr 2012 #149
Damn right. Any teenager rolling a front yard should fear the yahoo with a gun, crummy life, Hoyt Apr 2012 #180
"rolling a front yard" discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #181
I suppose he thinks they were doing lawn maintenance ileus Apr 2012 #231
Pardon my... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #243
you pull a big weighted roller ileus Apr 2012 #277
thanks :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #283
The attempted burglary has NOT been proven. For all we know, those kids were just in the wrong place pnwmom Apr 2012 #191
No, not proven. Merely what the sherriffs report says. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #204
And meanwhile, the DA isn't even bothering to tell us who the shooters were, pnwmom Apr 2012 #207
He didnt know she was there likely. It was dark. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #209
There is NO evidence that she was an accomplice to anything. Even if there was an actual pnwmom Apr 2012 #219
She was at the scene. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #256
Wrong. Being at a scene doesn't make you an accomplice, unless you had prior knowledge pnwmom Apr 2012 #266
I think it's pretty clear that Summer was with the boys. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #319
Right, she was with them. But that doesn't mean she approved of what they pnwmom Apr 2012 #322
the "morons" on the anti-gun side say all the time to just fire a warning shot, including a thread rl6214 Apr 2012 #386
I've never said anything about a warning shot before, pnwmom Apr 2012 #396
Wrong place, wrong time, and they were armed WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #416
I guess "innocent till proven guilty" doesn't mean pnwmom Apr 2012 #206
No, because Im posting on a message board, HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #211
Surely you realize that the teens could still be found not guilty. pnwmom Apr 2012 #218
Pigs can fly, too. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #247
UPDATE: Charges upgraded for 3 teens in fish camp case (and more) moobu2 Apr 2012 #208
The men were in a cabin on the island. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #210
They deputy said they left their campground and got into a boat to cross the "small river." pnwmom Apr 2012 #221
I think it's peculiar that authorities released tons of information moobu2 Apr 2012 #223
I agree. And they still haven't told us who the shooters were or if they have any records pnwmom Apr 2012 #335
In any moral world... Clames Apr 2012 #249
+1 HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #262
It's disgusting that if the shooter did pursue these kids, to the point of crossing a river, that he pnwmom Apr 2012 #220
I'm with you. It's one thing if the teens kicked down the door of the "fishermen's" cabin. Hoyt Apr 2012 #235
The men were caretakers. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #259
Not in my opinion. Lots of things are legal, yet not right. Hoyt Apr 2012 #264
This coming from someone AH1Apache Apr 2012 #268
At least I don't view our society as a war zone. Hoyt Apr 2012 #270
And neither do I Hoyt. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #390
Well, the people of Alabama think it's right, and that's why it's legal. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #303
That's not the opinion of the Alabama criminal DEFENSE attorneys interviewed on TV. pnwmom Apr 2012 #338
Like I said, I'm not an attorney. But I can read. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #342
FYI discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #391
And they didnt intend to shoot them. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #320
How is it that you are so clear on the intent of everyone involved? pnwmom Apr 2012 #339
Wrong. Most of the Island is Federal property. And only one man has been said to be some kind of pnwmom Apr 2012 #337
The men weren't sleeping inside. They left their own place, crossed a "small river" to another camp, pnwmom Apr 2012 #330
This is legal under Alabama law. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #333
They aren't allowed to use deadly force against an innocent bystander. pnwmom Apr 2012 #343
So the question becomes, was Summer an innocent bystander? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #347
There are a lot more questions than that. pnwmom Apr 2012 #350
I think the answers to some of those are pretty obvious. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #358
The law that you quoted justifies deadly force for self-defense or defending other people. pnwmom Apr 2012 #361
It also justifies deadly force for stopping burglary. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #364
More info on this from the fisherman's attorney today. pnwmom Apr 2012 #433
You are incorrect. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #415
Probably won't happen with Alabama law. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #238
There wasn't an armed robbery. moobu2 Apr 2012 #285
Doesn't have to be armed robbery. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #297
Yeah and Alabama's a very backwards assed place too moobu2 Apr 2012 #329
In some ways, sure. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #331
Ah, regional bigotry. The last refuge.... n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #368
Pretty blonde was committing armed felonies HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #248
They cannot be prosecuted with a civil suit. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #327
Obviously they can't be criminally prosecuted with a civil suit, but they can be held accountable pnwmom Apr 2012 #340
No, please read the law. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #345
But that wouldn't apply in the case of hitting an innocent bystander. She didn't do anything -- pnwmom Apr 2012 #353
the police think it was from a warning shot gejohnston Apr 2012 #356
I wonder how long it will take to get the ballistics results? pnwmom Apr 2012 #357
I think it's going to be hard to make a case that she was an innocent bystander. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #359
Alabama allows deadly force to prevent robbery and burglary of any degree. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #240
Thank you. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #246
To "prevent" is legally very different from "after the fact." pnwmom Apr 2012 #355
We don't know that yet. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #362
Not to mention the burglars were armed, HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #380
No one has ever shown the girl was armed, or that she was an accomplice. pnwmom Apr 2012 #398
what evidence do you have it was intentional? gejohnston Apr 2012 #400
She is hysterical. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #410
The evidence that came from the mouth of one of the fishermen's own attorneys. pnwmom Apr 2012 #436
And OJ didnt kill his wife and RG HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #409
Quite the contortionist act you've been putting on today. PavePusher Apr 2012 #370
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #369
Breaking news... HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #375
Still waiting for the names and criminal records of the "gentlemen" shooters. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #397
if they had criminal records gejohnston Apr 2012 #399
Cops probably concerned about threats and harassment HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #408
are there criminal records? ileus Apr 2012 #421
Connections discovered to previous crimes. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #423
Why? You have already found them guilty, the trial is over. oneshooter Apr 2012 #426
You found the victim, Summer Moody, guilty. pnwmom Apr 2012 #429
the POSSIBLE is not supported by evidence gejohnston Apr 2012 #434
The bullet came from the gun of one of the fishermen. pnwmom Apr 2012 #435
you linked to yourself making the same statement gejohnston Apr 2012 #437
If the situation is as described in your link WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #438
Show me where I said that, or retract your lie. oneshooter Apr 2012 #442
I guess I will just add this to the list of lies you tell. oneshooter Apr 2012 #460
About your headline. What does this have to do with SYG? Nothing gejohnston Apr 2012 #458
The DA came out early and said that charges would not be filed against any of the 3 older men moobu2 Apr 2012 #474
Federal investigators have started their own probe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #472
Summer Moody died last night according to her support Facebook page. moobu2 Apr 2012 #473
That's a true tragedy. :( discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #476
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