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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:14 PM

7. This has been debated a few times here.


There seem to be two issues in the "O.K. to defend property" camp.

1. Do I have any right to attempt to stop a criminal from stealing my belongings? If so, how far may I go to make her/him stop? I say, yes, you have every right to make them stop their act of theft. There is no moral or legal principal that requires me to let others steal from me. If there were, this would be a pretty shitty world, and we'd all still be living in caves or trees. If one can accomplish this with non-lethal resistance, fine, but I do not believe that the victim of the theft has any obligation to undertake any risk to themselves that they do not choose freely. The criminal, by engaging in the theft, has consented to risk her/his life in exchange for "stuff".

2. If the property involved is, or can be reasonably judged to be, critical to the survival and well-being of the theft victim, any force required to stop the theft is fair game. If I am poor and someone tries to steal my food, shelter or other survival items, they don't get any consideration unless they stop. If someone tries to steal the tools essential to my livelyhood, that enable me to pay for those survival items, anything goes.

The problem becomes one of where to draw the line. What is essential to survival, and how much force can you use to stop theft of non-essentials. The simplest way to deal with this moral question is, of course, DON'T FUCKING STEAL.

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