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In reply to the discussion: 17y/o unarmed girl shot in the head, no charges will be filed due to Alabama's Stand Your Ground. [View all]pnwmom
(108,977 posts)96. Amazing, isn't it? The gun owner as judge, jury, and executioner -- all over some stuff. n/t
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17y/o unarmed girl shot in the head, no charges will be filed due to Alabama's Stand Your Ground. [View all]
moobu2
Apr 2012
OP
Startled by the attempted break-in, two men fired rifles in the darkness at the intruders...
jtuck004
Apr 2012
#34
They weren't just messing around, they are suspected of having committed criminal acts, and.
jtuck004
Apr 2012
#74
And hopefully the investigation of men without permits shooting a girl in the head continues.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#94
No permit required for private property, or rifles, in Alabama, that I can see.
PavePusher
Apr 2012
#124
The girl's attorney brought up the lack of a gun permit at the press conference.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#128
That could have happened the night before, or a few days before. And by other burglars.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#445
Who said the couples checked all the cabins the day before? They said the only reason they heard
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#456
What claims of ignorance are you refering to? You're not very coherent.
Starboard Tack
Apr 2012
#403
So is knowing the difference between reasonable restrictions and gun grabbery.
cleanhippie
Apr 2012
#378
No one was breaking into their own camp area, and there is nothing in the Castle Doctrine
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#215
There is no evidence yet that they were committing burglary, much less armed burglary.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#271
There was a lot of wild speculation by the media in the initial reporting
HooptieWagon
Apr 2012
#453
And if they had shot the one with the rifle, anti's would be screaming, "Why didn't he fire
shadowrider
Apr 2012
#406
You don't know she was "drinking and doing drugs." There has been absolutely nothing in the press
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#306
I already explained this to you. The gunmen had to load the girl up in their boat and take her off
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#326
I'm not telling a lie, I'm saying that there is a possibility that the gunmen were drinking,
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#341
So, teenagers "partying" is now a crime punishable by extralegal summary execution?
baldguy
Apr 2012
#404
It cannot be ignored as one of several increasingly bad decisions she made that night
HooptieWagon
Apr 2012
#411
Not according to two local criminal defense attorneys who were interviewed in this case.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#273
The Alabama criminal attorneys who were interviewed on TV said that isn't true. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#302
There's nothing in that law that says it's okay to shoot bystanders in the back of the head.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#324
Have you seen the sheriff's report? I wasn't aware one had been released. I'd love to see the names
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#328
I repeatedly gave you links when you asked for them. I've seen no link to an actual
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#351
"And since the teens were armed, it wouldnt have been prudent to confront them."
ellisonz
Apr 2012
#402
The fishermen's own attorney doesn't say anything about being afraid because the teens had weapons.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#432
No, the guys who chased the kids on foot and shot one of them in the back of the head.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#43
The shooter wasn't in his home or even in his fishing camp. He followed the teens in a boat.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#156
I don't see evidence that they actually committed a felony. The only one who I'm sure did so
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#11
If the gunmen hadn't heard some sounds, and decided to cross a river to get to them,
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#274
You're the one sounding like a Zimmerman defender. He's the vigilante, just like
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#354
It's the possible drinking of the shooters that is relevant, not of the teen victim.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#417
Amazing, isn't it? The gun owner as judge, jury, and executioner -- all over some stuff. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#96
Not if it means appointing to yourself the power of judge, jury, and executioner
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#158
Again I was replying to the broad statement, which I read as not limited to the specifics of this
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#160
What I read was that the young people had brought a firearm with them
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#167
Report in the media about why the charges were raised to 1st degree
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#233
Their guns were magical talismans protecting them from the demons in the night.
baldguy
Apr 2012
#226
Chasing down suspected burglars on foot and shooting them in the back of the head
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#42
As soon as we know if that actually happened we'll talk - or were you actually there?
DonP
Apr 2012
#58
Here's an interview with some investigator, where he says the teens were chased.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#81
So, if the person standing next to you commits a crime, you should be punished for it?
baldguy
Apr 2012
#108
I've only heard the word "weapon" used. Have you seen an actual claim of a gun?
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#174
The article actually says that no charges have been filed . . . yet. The investigation is ongoing.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#10
She wouldn't be an accomplice unless they were planning to burglarize and she knew that. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#183
I don't know they were drinking. I'm saying my possible scenario about the men is just as valid
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#98
Reports today said that the prosecutor won't be charging the shooter. Maybe we'll never know. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#304
Yes, I'd also like to know if the fisherman who did the shooting was alcohol-impaired.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#49
At 4am in a fishing camp, I'd be willing to bet there aren't too many lights around
rl6214
Apr 2012
#117
Here's a picture of the "slough" they had to cross to get to where the teens were.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#287
That article u linked to just says a 16 Y/O kid was charged for shooting someone.
moobu2
Apr 2012
#32
So you think it is okay to chase burglars down and shoot them in the back of the head?
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#40
And a lesson for yahoos with guns that killing someone when not much is at stake is
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#178
I think that's a reasonable possibility. It's possible the kids were just messing around
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#41
I think it's worse than risky and stupid to chase a teen down and shoot her in the back of the head.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#62
People should not be able to execute others for the crime of taking their property.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#79
The Alabama criminal attorneys who were interviewed on TV said that isn't true.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#288
If you are in your own home, the burglar doesn't have to be confronting you -- correct.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#309
Nothing in that law applies to innocent bystanders, and there's been no evidence
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#323
It's pretty clear that she was with the boys and at least the boys were commiting a crime.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#325
The shooter wasn't threatened in his castle. He was in a fishing camp consisting of some
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#153
I was responding to your broad generalization in the title to post 79...
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#155
Problem is that its hard to tell if the intruders are armed or not
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#170
Again...general comments in response to general comments, and then specifics on this case
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#176
This is a link to an article and video including comments from a two local criminal defense
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#188
So when do you want these men executed? You already have found them guilty.
oneshooter
Apr 2012
#382
But it wouldn't apply in the case where you LEFT your current quarters and got in a boat
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#165
Doesn't matter. Alabama law allows deadly force to stop robbery and burglary in any degree.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#236
Does Alabama law allow people with cocaine trafficking convictions to shoot unarmed teenagers?
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#462
It was the Sheriff who repeatedly used the word "gentlemen" to describe them -- I know
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#466
She was shot in the back of the head. Of course she was hiding -- she was probably terrified.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#61
If what the deputy said today was true -- that the fisherman heard some noises on the other side
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#169
Absolutely. And if you're going to fire a warning shot, shoot it into the dirt at your own feet.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#73
No, no, no, we were told here just last week the warning shot should be into a door that someone
rl6214
Apr 2012
#121
But the anti-gun zealots claimed just last week that you should fire a warning shot into a door
rl6214
Apr 2012
#120
It's not legal for civilians to shoot at "escaping criminals." That's not self-defense.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#104
No, the article specifically referred to a gun permit. I don't know any more than that.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#114
I live in Alabama. No permit is required except for concealed weapons.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#321
It's simple, Simple: if she didn't have a gun she was not a deadly threat, or a lawful target.
baldguy
Apr 2012
#224
Though well I know the passion of the argument, its premature to call them murderers
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#159
Yet another specious attempt to argue that inanimate objects can compel behavior
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#154
I did read the story. She was with 3 other boys arrested for 1st-degree burglary - they had a gun.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#229
"Some feet" could be six feet, or 60 feet, or 100 feet. That tells us nothing about distance
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#349
They weren't protecting either lives or property when they shot a person in the back of the head.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#372
The law is quite explicit that lethal force is only allowed when you're protecting human life
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#393
There is ZERO evidence so far that the injured girl participated in any burglary.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#395
Not to me. I think she and Trayvon were both the victims of trigger-happy vigilantes.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#428
Did I miss a trial? Those teens are still innocent until proven guilty, aren't they?
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#193
True, she didnt attack anyone. She was merely an accomplice to armed birglary.
HooptieWagon
Apr 2012
#202
Did I miss a trial? Who has been convicted of burglary or of being an accomplice?
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#205
How do you know the "evidence" was not from a previous break-in committed by other burglars?
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#216
You are right, someone needs to train more for shooting teenager in back of head.
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#179
Damn right. Any teenager rolling a front yard should fear the yahoo with a gun, crummy life,
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#180
The attempted burglary has NOT been proven. For all we know, those kids were just in the wrong place
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#191
There is NO evidence that she was an accomplice to anything. Even if there was an actual
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#219
Wrong. Being at a scene doesn't make you an accomplice, unless you had prior knowledge
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#266
the "morons" on the anti-gun side say all the time to just fire a warning shot, including a thread
rl6214
Apr 2012
#386
They deputy said they left their campground and got into a boat to cross the "small river."
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#221
I agree. And they still haven't told us who the shooters were or if they have any records
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#335
It's disgusting that if the shooter did pursue these kids, to the point of crossing a river, that he
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#220
I'm with you. It's one thing if the teens kicked down the door of the "fishermen's" cabin.
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#235
Well, the people of Alabama think it's right, and that's why it's legal.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#303
That's not the opinion of the Alabama criminal DEFENSE attorneys interviewed on TV.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#338
Wrong. Most of the Island is Federal property. And only one man has been said to be some kind of
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#337
The men weren't sleeping inside. They left their own place, crossed a "small river" to another camp,
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#330
The law that you quoted justifies deadly force for self-defense or defending other people.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#361
Obviously they can't be criminally prosecuted with a civil suit, but they can be held accountable
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#340
But that wouldn't apply in the case of hitting an innocent bystander. She didn't do anything --
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#353
I think it's going to be hard to make a case that she was an innocent bystander.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#359
Alabama allows deadly force to prevent robbery and burglary of any degree.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#240
Still waiting for the names and criminal records of the "gentlemen" shooters. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#397