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JDPriestly

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34. I see two weaknesses in your argument.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 04:19 PM
Apr 2012

1. Where do you think criminals get their illegal guns? From people who have them legally, that's where. Cut back on the numbers of legal guns and it will be harder for criminals to get guns. That's a tough job in a country like ours which is flooded with guns -- legal and illegal -- already.

2. One of my problems with gun laws is that a lot of people are prohibited from having them. Let's say we agree that mentally ill people should not have guns. But, who is more vulnerable to an assault than a mentally ill person walking the streets alone? Who is more like to to be shot and robbed than that person?

As we have seen with Trayvon Martin, underaged kids are unlikely to have guns. So are they to face a man with a weapon with their hands and fists because of their age? What if Trayvon had been younger and the man with the gun had been a predator?

Regardless of the laws, we need to create a society in which guns are for shooting animals, war and the police -- not for ordinary citizens' shooting other ordinary citizens. They shouldn't even be needed for self-defense. That's a cultural issue. We pay a very high price for this paranoid culture we have created.

DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM 2008 ON GUN CONTROL [View all] fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 OP
that wasn't in the 2012 platform gejohnston Apr 2012 #1
Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #2
it was pulled gejohnston Apr 2012 #10
Talking about 2008 Democratic Platform on Firearms fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #11
Not bad sarisataka Apr 2012 #3
Improvements needed for 2012 mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #4
no no..it's magic...no gunshow loophole no illegal guns ileus Apr 2012 #6
private sales are a gunshow loophole. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #12
stupid question gejohnston Apr 2012 #13
I think that sometimes the numbers are removed somehow. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #20
they show it on TV gejohnston Apr 2012 #22
Hint, criminals don't buy from federally licensed dealers. X_Digger Apr 2012 #25
You're telling me. We had a gun stolen. In fact, if I go back JDPriestly Apr 2012 #32
It's a laudable goal to remove as many guns from as many prohibited persons as possible. X_Digger Apr 2012 #33
I see two weaknesses in your argument. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #34
According to DOJ studies, criminals get their guns from.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #35
This is a lousy response. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #41
Actually, our crime *rate* is at 1968 levels. X_Digger Apr 2012 #43
But the police.... WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #56
So fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #7
correct... ileus Apr 2012 #17
Incorrect fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #54
Yes mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #50
Here's a study chart of the sales of ar-15 type weapons.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #55
Yes. mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #51
The Sequence of Your Events fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #53
gun show loophole and common sense again... ileus Apr 2012 #5
Sounds like someone found the NRA teat between 04 and 08 Doctor_J Apr 2012 #8
No fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #9
That could be improved, here's my rough draft: petronius Apr 2012 #14
Good Luck with that fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #15
sure if you want to toss the Constitution right the fuck out the window..... bowens43 Apr 2012 #16
name one constitutional scholar that agrees with you gejohnston Apr 2012 #18
ONCE AGAIN AH1Apache Apr 2012 #19
"the right of the people" -- not the state, not the militias, not the government. X_Digger Apr 2012 #26
I haven't seen any Meiko Apr 2012 #21
weak, elderly female here who does NOT own a gun, never will. hate them. northoftheborder Apr 2012 #23
Bravo fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #24
I grew up with guns too gejohnston Apr 2012 #27
Fearful males and females? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #28
you're one of those baser gunner rude types aren't you. ileus Apr 2012 #30
Yes I am AH1Apache Apr 2012 #31
Fear fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #36
And you know this how? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #38
Pure fun is the third valid option hack89 Apr 2012 #57
4 ND's indicates additional training required. ileus Apr 2012 #29
Nah fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #37
I've owned guns for 30 years. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #40
OT but: Please, don't kill snakes if you can help it. beevul Apr 2012 #52
How is this believable? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #39
Ask the Majority of Delegates fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #42
In a Democratic society... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #44
Uhummmmmmm fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #45
Silly me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #46
Right fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #47
Thought about becoming a national delegate? derby378 Apr 2012 #48
Sounds nice... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #49
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