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X_Digger

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26. "the right of the people" -- not the state, not the militias, not the government.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:34 PM
Apr 2012

Here, have another go at the preamble to the bill of rights.

[div class='excerpt']The Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.

The Bill of Rights was intended as a 'the government shall not' document- "to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers"- not a 'the people can' document. Rights aren't limited by the bill of rights; rather the scope of protections of certain rights are set. If the Bill of Rights were a listing of all a person's rights, there would be no need for the ninth and tenth amendments ("The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." and "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." respectively.)

Let me guess, you're one of these misguided individuals who think that rights are 'granted' or 'permitted' based on the bill of rights?

Fuck bans. Didn't work for alcohol, isn't working for drugs, and is stupid as shit for guns.

DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM 2008 ON GUN CONTROL [View all] fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 OP
that wasn't in the 2012 platform gejohnston Apr 2012 #1
Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #2
it was pulled gejohnston Apr 2012 #10
Talking about 2008 Democratic Platform on Firearms fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #11
Not bad sarisataka Apr 2012 #3
Improvements needed for 2012 mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #4
no no..it's magic...no gunshow loophole no illegal guns ileus Apr 2012 #6
private sales are a gunshow loophole. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #12
stupid question gejohnston Apr 2012 #13
I think that sometimes the numbers are removed somehow. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #20
they show it on TV gejohnston Apr 2012 #22
Hint, criminals don't buy from federally licensed dealers. X_Digger Apr 2012 #25
You're telling me. We had a gun stolen. In fact, if I go back JDPriestly Apr 2012 #32
It's a laudable goal to remove as many guns from as many prohibited persons as possible. X_Digger Apr 2012 #33
I see two weaknesses in your argument. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #34
According to DOJ studies, criminals get their guns from.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #35
This is a lousy response. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #41
Actually, our crime *rate* is at 1968 levels. X_Digger Apr 2012 #43
But the police.... WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #56
So fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #7
correct... ileus Apr 2012 #17
Incorrect fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #54
Yes mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #50
Here's a study chart of the sales of ar-15 type weapons.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #55
Yes. mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #51
The Sequence of Your Events fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #53
gun show loophole and common sense again... ileus Apr 2012 #5
Sounds like someone found the NRA teat between 04 and 08 Doctor_J Apr 2012 #8
No fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #9
That could be improved, here's my rough draft: petronius Apr 2012 #14
Good Luck with that fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #15
sure if you want to toss the Constitution right the fuck out the window..... bowens43 Apr 2012 #16
name one constitutional scholar that agrees with you gejohnston Apr 2012 #18
ONCE AGAIN AH1Apache Apr 2012 #19
"the right of the people" -- not the state, not the militias, not the government. X_Digger Apr 2012 #26
I haven't seen any Meiko Apr 2012 #21
weak, elderly female here who does NOT own a gun, never will. hate them. northoftheborder Apr 2012 #23
Bravo fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #24
I grew up with guns too gejohnston Apr 2012 #27
Fearful males and females? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #28
you're one of those baser gunner rude types aren't you. ileus Apr 2012 #30
Yes I am AH1Apache Apr 2012 #31
Fear fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #36
And you know this how? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #38
Pure fun is the third valid option hack89 Apr 2012 #57
4 ND's indicates additional training required. ileus Apr 2012 #29
Nah fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #37
I've owned guns for 30 years. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #40
OT but: Please, don't kill snakes if you can help it. beevul Apr 2012 #52
How is this believable? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #39
Ask the Majority of Delegates fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #42
In a Democratic society... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #44
Uhummmmmmm fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #45
Silly me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #46
Right fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 #47
Thought about becoming a national delegate? derby378 Apr 2012 #48
Sounds nice... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #49
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