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In reply to the discussion: NRA: 10 ways it has weakened gun-control laws in the US [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)3. 10 great ways we are protecting the second amendment.
1. Concealed carry reciprocity
I have no problem with this, any more than I have a problem with drivers' license reciprocity.
It would be nice to have a uniform federal standard for CCW, and I imagine we will get it if we have universal reciprocity.
2. Private gun sales loophole
If you require a government background check for every firearm purchase, you have just created a de facto firearm registry, which is unacceptable.
I would not have a problem with an opt-out FOID system similar to what Illinois has, which would give everyone who applies for a drivers' license or state-issued ID an FOID automatically unless they opt out.
3. Terror watch list
Everyone should oppose this abomination. It is a secret list of people maintained by the government that, by their own admission, includes people known not to be terrorists and excludes known terrorists, and this list is above due process.
No Constitutional right should be restricted without due process.
4. Stand-your-ground laws
The only problem with SYG laws is the rare possibility that two people might reasonably fear for their lives from each other, and thus reasonably attack each other.
I would have no problem getting rid of SYG laws provided people who kill in self-defense and are found to have lawfully done so have their legal expenses reimbursed by the state.
5. Guns on campuses
There is no reason why a person who can carry a concealed weapon down main street while surrounded by hundreds of his fellow citizens cannot also do so on a college campus. Amy Bishop shot 6 people, killing 3, in the building on UAH where I have class 3 days a week. The rules did not stop her. They only stop law-abiding people.
6. Guns in schools
I have no problem with this, as above.
7. Guns in the workplace
I have no problem with this.
8. Guns in bars and restaurants
I have no problem with this.
9. Tracing guns used in shootings
I am all for anything that makes it harder for the government to maintain a registry of firearm owners.
10. Revoking licences from corrupt dealers
I'm not familiar with this. Given the anti-criminal nature of the NRA, I suspect this is being spun by the article. More likely this is to prevent governmental railroading of legitimate FFLs.
I have no problem with this, any more than I have a problem with drivers' license reciprocity.
It would be nice to have a uniform federal standard for CCW, and I imagine we will get it if we have universal reciprocity.
2. Private gun sales loophole
If you require a government background check for every firearm purchase, you have just created a de facto firearm registry, which is unacceptable.
I would not have a problem with an opt-out FOID system similar to what Illinois has, which would give everyone who applies for a drivers' license or state-issued ID an FOID automatically unless they opt out.
3. Terror watch list
Everyone should oppose this abomination. It is a secret list of people maintained by the government that, by their own admission, includes people known not to be terrorists and excludes known terrorists, and this list is above due process.
No Constitutional right should be restricted without due process.
4. Stand-your-ground laws
The only problem with SYG laws is the rare possibility that two people might reasonably fear for their lives from each other, and thus reasonably attack each other.
I would have no problem getting rid of SYG laws provided people who kill in self-defense and are found to have lawfully done so have their legal expenses reimbursed by the state.
5. Guns on campuses
There is no reason why a person who can carry a concealed weapon down main street while surrounded by hundreds of his fellow citizens cannot also do so on a college campus. Amy Bishop shot 6 people, killing 3, in the building on UAH where I have class 3 days a week. The rules did not stop her. They only stop law-abiding people.
6. Guns in schools
I have no problem with this, as above.
7. Guns in the workplace
I have no problem with this.
8. Guns in bars and restaurants
I have no problem with this.
9. Tracing guns used in shootings
I am all for anything that makes it harder for the government to maintain a registry of firearm owners.
10. Revoking licences from corrupt dealers
I'm not familiar with this. Given the anti-criminal nature of the NRA, I suspect this is being spun by the article. More likely this is to prevent governmental railroading of legitimate FFLs.
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Well a broken clock may be right twice a day but my Republican brother in law isnt. nm
rhett o rick
Apr 2012
#26
Your arguments are IMO very weak. The SYG laws are shoot first. They are license to kill
rhett o rick
Apr 2012
#27
I don't have a problem with that, as long as the state pays the legal expenses.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#28
There are approximately 20 college campuses that allow concealed carry in the US
oneshooter
Apr 2012
#29
You clearly have not kept up on the Zimmerman case and are clueless about the law
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2012
#39
All from Mayors Against Guns, and not a single explanation or counter-balance
krispos42
Apr 2012
#22
Stupid, slanted article written in ignorance. I stopped reading at "3. Terror watch list"
slackmaster
Apr 2012
#41