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Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
12. Reasons why.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:26 PM
Apr 2012
The reality here is clear: the Constitution states that public safety/general welfare are of public interest and that there is a right to keep and bear arms within the context of "a well-regulated Militia."

Of course we have had this discussion many times before.

All nine Supreme Court justices and President Obama have all agreed that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right regardless of membership in any organization such as a militia.

Also, as you know, the militias spoken of in the Constitution - decentralized, state-controlled military forces designed to counter federal military power, no longer exist.

For all practical and legal purposes, you need to face the reality that the preambulatory phrase of the second amendment does not exist.

The courts and the president have upheld that you don't have to be in a militia to keep and bear arms, and there is no militia to belong to if you wanted to.

Can anyone tell me why we haven't done better in this country? Can anyone tell me why we cannot do better in this country? Can anyone tell me why we shouldn't do better in this country?

If by "better" you mean why can't you have more gun control, the answer is simple: you are on the losing side of this issue. The public is against you, and the 40-80 million gun owners are against you and highly politically motivated. We vote and we spend to defend our rights. Your side can't vote or spend to match. Thus you lose.
Interesting, and I was with you until the first 'left turn' sarisataka Apr 2012 #1
... ellisonz Apr 2012 #7
That's all you've got? rl6214 Apr 2012 #19
It's a flawed article... ellisonz Apr 2012 #21
I don't see anything in thaty excerpt that he was incorrect about. PavePusher Apr 2012 #26
The entire premise that an external terror attack reflects on internal gun control laws! ellisonz Apr 2012 #29
How so? Why would a terrorist not focus on poorly defended targets? PavePusher Apr 2012 #34
So you're saying that if the hotel guests were better armed? ellisonz Apr 2012 #35
It wouldn't have hurt to have more guns... sarisataka Apr 2012 #41
Do you think the Mumbai attack would have had better, equal or worse results (from the perspective PavePusher Apr 2012 #49
A massive imbecile but... sarisataka Apr 2012 #42
Better? sarisataka Apr 2012 #27
Lawmakers are working - on guns rights. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #2
Interesting... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #3
You're presuming all of those people agree with the "gun rights" agenda... ellisonz Apr 2012 #6
Such people may not agree on all the items in the "gun rights" agenda ... spin Apr 2012 #11
All the editing in the world... ellisonz Apr 2012 #18
Are members of a militia people? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #4
Yes. But you cannot deny that the construct is made... ellisonz Apr 2012 #5
The "construct" is the problem. rrneck Apr 2012 #8
You do realize that... ellisonz Apr 2012 #10
What do the terms rrneck Apr 2012 #14
Partially seperate Constitutional issues... ellisonz Apr 2012 #17
Oh now. rrneck Apr 2012 #20
Oy Vey. ellisonz Apr 2012 #30
My my rrneck Apr 2012 #32
It doesn't and you're changing the claim to fit your argument... ellisonz Apr 2012 #33
You never addressed any other rrneck Apr 2012 #36
One minor nit to pick. beevul Apr 2012 #43
True that. Important indeed. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #46
"All that matters is how we interpret the constitution in the context of today's reality." ellisonz Apr 2012 #44
You could at least draw your own cartoons. rrneck Apr 2012 #47
Why did the founders continue the decentralized militia system? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #15
They are doing what their constituents elected them to do - protect gun rights. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #9
And that is it in a nutshell. Being anti-gun is a death sentence in congress. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #13
Reasons why. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #12
"the preambulatory phrase of the second amendment does not exist." ellisonz Apr 2012 #16
Nope. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #22
You wrote that... ellisonz Apr 2012 #23
No, that is not what I wrote. You SELECTIVELY QUOTED what I wrote. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #24
Kids. Waddyagonnado? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #25
Didn't change the meaning one bit. ellisonz Apr 2012 #31
If it didn't change the meaning why did you omit it? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #37
I appreciate your lengthy attempt at an argument... ellisonz Apr 2012 #38
No matter how many times you try and put words in my mouth, it won't work. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #39
Why do you hate freedom? ellisonz Apr 2012 #40
I never said he did. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #48
We haven't done better because people keep trying to limit the 2A... ileus Apr 2012 #28
It might be because most further restrictions are either expensive, intrusive, or unworkable. krispos42 Apr 2012 #45
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