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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
8. "Castle Doctrine is derived from UK common law"
Thu Apr 12, 2012, 07:02 PM
Apr 2012

Absolutely false, no matter how many times you chant it.

It derives from English common law in the same way as rotten meat derives from cows.

As my esteemed cousin wrote in Woolmington v. D.P.P. in 1935 (my emphasis):

Throughout the web of the English Criminal Law one golden thread is always to be seen, that it is the duty of the prosecution to prove the prisoner's guilt subject to what I have already said as to the defence of insanity and subject also to any statutory exception. If, at the end of and on the whole of the case, there is a reasonable doubt, created by the evidence given by either the prosecution or the prisoner, as to whether the prisoner killed the deceased with a malicious intention, the prosecution has not made out the case and the prisoner is entitled to an acquittal. No matter what the charge or where the trial, the principle that the prosecution must prove the guilt of the prisoner is part of the common law of England and no attempt to whittle it down can be entertained. When dealing with a murder case the Crown must prove (a) death as the result of a voluntary act of the accused and (b) malice of the accused.

English common law has NEVER given impunity to anyone for assault or murder. Someone who claims to have acted in self-defence must raise that issue at trial, and then the prosecution must prove it untrue, beyond a reasonable doubt.

Here is how the Canadian Judicial Council recommends that the jury be charged:

http://www.cjc-ccm.gc.ca/english/lawyers_en.asp?selMenu=lawyers_sd_defence34_2_en.asp

... {name of accused} is justified in killing or causing grievous bodily harm to defend himself/herself and must be acquitted if all of the following three conditions are present:

1. NOA killed or caused grievous bodily harm to NOC to repel an unlawful13 assault (or what s/he reasonably perceived to be an unlawful assault)14 on him/her by NOC; and

2. NOA reasonably believed that s/he would be killed or suffer grievous bodily harm as a result of NOC's assault; and

3. NOA reasonably believed that s/he could not otherwise preserve himself/herself from death or grievous bodily harm.

Unless the Crown has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that at least one of these conditions for self-defence was absent, you must acquit NOA of (specify offence).

NOA is not required to prove that s/he acted in self-defence. The Crown must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that s/he did not.

There has never, ever, ever been anything in English common law that granted immunity from prosecution to anyone who uses force against another person.


While Wyoming has a Castle Doctrine (SYG in the home)

"Castle doctrine" IS NOT "SYG in the home". It is not. Please stop saying it. It is NOT TRUE.
Washington State has a very similar law; Washington has no 'duty to retreat' law. teddy51 Apr 2012 #1
Gov. Patrick has vowed to veto the bill in MA SecularMotion Apr 2012 #3
Was there something about article you wanted to discuss? ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #2
which has what to do with? gejohnston Apr 2012 #4
"Castle Doctrine is derived from UK common law" iverglas Apr 2012 #8
utter bullshit gejohnston Apr 2012 #15
when you are spewing bullshit iverglas Apr 2012 #22
I read it several times gejohnston Apr 2012 #23
Perhaps you can show us some links to cases where a thief's family profited from a legitimate Hoyt Apr 2012 #9
actually, not a theif but armed robbers gejohnston Apr 2012 #11
Not pertinent -- not in home, and Goetz possessed guns illegally, was sentenced to jail, and shot Hoyt Apr 2012 #13
only for the illegal gun gejohnston Apr 2012 #17
Bernhard Goetz? iverglas Apr 2012 #16
I trust juries in cases gejohnston Apr 2012 #20
"home owner shot unarmed teenager in back while they were fleeing" iverglas Apr 2012 #24
most Floridians are not from the south gejohnston Apr 2012 #26
didn't like the answer to your challenge? iverglas Apr 2012 #27
I was busy gejohnston Apr 2012 #29
the distinction between "castle" and "stand your ground" is important iverglas Apr 2012 #5
What is your obession with Florida? gejohnston Apr 2012 #6
what is your obsession with not knowing what you're talking about? iverglas Apr 2012 #12
I know exactly what I am talking about gejohnston Apr 2012 #18
being insulted by someone who is so unable to comprehend iverglas Apr 2012 #25
I read the law gejohnston Apr 2012 #28
Sure thing, guns are such a progressive cause. Hoyt Apr 2012 #14
that is not a gun issue gejohnston Apr 2012 #19
Well, if the New York Times says it, it must be true - except when they make shit up DonP Apr 2012 #7
This from a poster who thinks they have to strap on a gun or two to venture out into public. Hoyt Apr 2012 #10
That memory loss you have is is getting much worse - I live in Illinois, we have no gun rights DonP Apr 2012 #21
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