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Straw Man

(6,623 posts)
20. No, about systems you THINK will work.
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 02:32 PM
Dec 2011

And I think you're wrong. You want to create a new bureaucracy rather than attempt to enforce the existing rules.

[div class = excerpt]How would you make what is essentially an unworkable system work just by demanding it? To use an analogy, that would be like the TSA making bomb and weapons screening for boarding a flight be on an honor basis.
No, it would be like requiring TSA screeners to do their jobs effectively or face termination and/or other penalties. Analogies are not your friend.

What makes you think your new bureaucracy would be any different/better? Because you would vest dictatorial authority in police agencies, allowing them to abrogate rights arbitrarily and without recourse? Anything less and you would be back to the status quo, with judicial review as paramount, as it should be. And you would expect me to pay for this with additional fees and to entertain additional intrusions on my privacy, I who have already been relentlessly screened by the authorities of my state and already comply with its laws and regulations? Because you believe that it would reduce gun crime, a belief I do not share. No thanks.

Yeah, it's fun to play "If I Were King of the World," but your proposals are seriously flawed. And spare us the "cry of widows, orphans, and now childless parents" -- they would still be there after you had enacted what you wish to enact. Then you would be looking for your next phase of "reasonable" control.

That's all I have to say. You may now return to your litany of crime reporting and high moral dudgeon.

simple answer gejohnston Dec 2011 #1
As with most things, it's the economy Kennah Dec 2011 #2
NLEOMF has some slightly different numbers, but casting my eye petronius Dec 2011 #3
Probably differential reporting... ellisonz Dec 2011 #4
Don't forget to remove officers shot with their own weapons from your graph line. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #7
They already are removed... ellisonz Dec 2011 #8
Going down the first page of officers, one was shot with another officer's service weapon. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #9
Sigh... Straw Man Dec 2011 #10
So what do you propose specifically in detail? ellisonz Dec 2011 #11
You're not going to like it. Straw Man Dec 2011 #13
I'm not about liking or disliking...I'm about making systems that work. ellisonz Dec 2011 #14
While this is all very entertaining, I can no longer remain silent. beevul Dec 2011 #16
Bravo! n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #21
Hear hear! I've noticed a few common traits amongst the "improvers" that we get here: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #22
And after further reading on this thread, two more traits of these wowsers are apparent... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #53
End of thread. Good job. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #25
Your argument is all over the place logically and based upon the basic idea that might is right. ellisonz Dec 2011 #28
You're so wrong... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #30
Why are the words of a conservative Republican so important? hack89 Dec 2011 #17
Why don't you ask beevul in #16... ellisonz Dec 2011 #29
Do Scalia and Thomas have sufficient stature? They are just as conservative. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #42
Did you just not get owned on the Ninth Amendment? n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #44
Actually no I didn't. You don't understand the 9th. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #48
Desperate much? ellisonz Dec 2011 #50
Read Cruikshank lately? X_Digger Dec 2011 #56
Now I have... ellisonz Dec 2011 #59
That's a lovely straw man, did you stuff it yourself? X_Digger Dec 2011 #61
Yes. For the Yuletide. ellisonz Dec 2011 #62
If what I am doing in my home harms nobody We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #63
Police have no obligation to protect *you*, the individual.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #64
Krauthammer is on YOUR side. Straw Man Dec 2011 #51
No, about systems you THINK will work. Straw Man Dec 2011 #20
We won't know unless we try. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #31
Thing is... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #32
If Chief Justice Burger's view was correct, burf Dec 2011 #66
You are asking for details! You have been asked many times for details. oneshooter Dec 2011 #38
I have provided plenty of detail and reasoning ellisonz Dec 2011 #40
Don't give a damn how or what they do in other countries. oneshooter Dec 2011 #45
Which just shows a surprising amount of close mindedness on your part. ellisonz Dec 2011 #46
You have given no specifics, only generalities. oneshooter Dec 2011 #49
No answer yet, perhaps he is afraid to post the truth. n/t oneshooter Dec 2011 #65
How do you feel about being unarmed around all those bad guys? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #35
They are not "bad guys." Straw Man Dec 2011 #54
Glad to hear it. Keep up the good work. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #57
Sure there is ... spin Dec 2011 #19
About nine days ago CNN quoted Floyd as anticipating guns will kill more officers than traffic russ1943 Dec 2011 #5
No. rrneck Dec 2011 #6
Nope rl6214 Dec 2011 #12
No. ileus Dec 2011 #15
Why do i think more LEO's were killed in the line of duty this year? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #18
Agree, The militarization of the police scares me and has for a long time. era veteran Dec 2011 #24
afraid to ask but gejohnston Dec 2011 #43
Homeland Security Funds Armored Vehicles for Police in Yourtown, USA! / video era veteran Dec 2011 #60
Hey, I agree with you. How about that Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #36
Answers: SteveW Dec 2011 #23
62 out of 800,000 officers in the United States. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #26
So am i. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #27
One thing to consider... ellisonz Dec 2011 #33
I agree. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #34
perhaps gejohnston Dec 2011 #37
... ellisonz Dec 2011 #39
yeah gejohnston Dec 2011 #41
*sigh* ellisonz Dec 2011 #47
no kidding and that is not the point gejohnston Dec 2011 #52
Those stastics aren't kept to my knowledge. ellisonz Dec 2011 #55
Check FBI's LEOKA numbers.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #58
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