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In reply to the discussion: Ann Coulter States SYG Laws Have Nothing To Do With Zimmerman Situation [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)34. people like me?
what people like me? People of Gaelic heritage? Rural people? Working class people? Do you roll up your windows and lock your doors when going through areas that have a lot of pick up trucks and older sedans? Do you let your kids hang out with "those kids" from trailer parks, or just those approved by your HOA?
Try taking a law course and then talk to me about how you don't think the burden should be on a defendant to prove an "affirmative defense." THAT IS WHAT THE LAW IS.
I thought the law was about order justice. That is not the law in some places.
Sorry, but the perpetrator has to prove the "justifiable" in justifiable homicide because the law does presume that taking the life of another person is a crime. I don't know what country you want to live in, but I think god I live in one where we presume that it is against the law to take someone's life.
but justifiable homicide is not a crime. Therefore, you have to prove your innocence instead of the State having to prove your guilt.
per·pe·tra·tor? [pur-pi-trey-ter] Show IPA
noun
a person who perpetrates, or commits, an illegal, criminal, or evil act: The perpetrators of this heinous crime must be found and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perpetrator
You are saying that someone who is doing nothing wrong, minding their own business, becomes a "perpetrator" for defending themselves? In other words, you are saying it is better to be raped or murdered than to defend yourself. Your connotation is very clear.
PS -- Just calling the cops and saying "I killed someone" does not mean the state has nothing to prove. The police are going to investigate to make sure the physical evidence backs up the statement, and there may be a trial anyway -- or I guess you have never heard of there being a trial even when there has been a confession? Happens quite frequently.
I have only heard of plea deals after confessions, unless there is an affirmative defense.
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Ann Coulter States SYG Laws Have Nothing To Do With Zimmerman Situation [View all]
fightthegoodfightnow
Apr 2012
OP
How do you know, for a fact, he's using SYG as a defense? Are you inside his
shadowrider
Apr 2012
#17
He's using "self-defense" and so far it has worked. Further, most folks like Zimmerman only
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#27
And other criminals *attempt* to use the fourth, fifth, or first amendment as their defense.
X_Digger
Apr 2012
#76
'connection with the matter at hand' - if absent, we'd be in the same place -- no connection. n/t
X_Digger
Apr 2012
#94
Yes, if there were a law that allowed you to shoot others while wearing a dress.
OrwellwasRight
Apr 2012
#101
See post 52. Read the statute. Read the responding officer's statement.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2012
#53
If Zimmerman was the aggressor, the instigator, then he cannot claim self-defense, period, unless...
krispos42
Apr 2012
#41
And I'm a 6'2" bodybuilder/former Navy SEAL who stole three bars of gold from Osama's hideout...
krispos42
Apr 2012
#51
Without witnesses under the old law it would be hard to prove that Zimmerman acted incorrectly ...
spin
Apr 2012
#59
I am not sure what coulter has to do with anything? If it is 1pm and she says it is, and I agree,
The Straight Story
Apr 2012
#62
The right-wing just loves to inject the SYG into the debate because it deflects away from Zimmerman
GreydeeThos
Apr 2012
#64