Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Why Gun Control advocates will end up with egg on their face once again... [View all]iverglas
(38,549 posts)133. "gun ownership"?
Gun ownership in America has been high the last century or so. We're probably in the range of about 800 guns per 1,000 people. It's creeped up to what is presumably an all-time-high over the past few years, but there's no difference between 600 per capita and 800 per capita.
(I know you meant "per thousand"!)
That's a rate for guns owned. Not owners of guns.
How does a rate for the objects -- x/100,000 -- tell us how many people own said objects?
It doesn't. And that really is the meaningful information. Not specifically in relation to crime rates, because that is a much more complex relationship. Just in terms of who is really actually involved here, and what is really goingon.
Any reasonably reliable estimates I have seen over the last decade have shown that firearms ownership rates -- the proportion of the population that owns firearms -- in the US have steadily declined over the last 35 years.
In more nuanced terms, the number of people who have firearms, and specifically long guns, for hunting/sports purposes has declined markedly. That has been offset somewhat by the number of people who have handguns, for, well, other purposes.
Firearms owners, in the traditional sense, were a dying breed. Demand for firearms for other purposes, by other people, was then drummed up. What industry would not seek to diversify its product line and broaden its market in the face of a declining market for its traditional products?
High firearms (and other) violent crime rates back around the same time that firearms ownership rates among the public began declining were the perfect opportunity to start the campaign to persuade the public it needed guns - handguns specifically - for "self-defence". Never mind that the people they were defending themselves against were getting their own guns from the same firearms industry directly, or indirectly from the people it sold its products to.
And of course, never mind that the rise of this particular "gun culture" coincided with the backlash to desegregation.
"Your home is your castle; defend it!" cried George P. Mahoney, who championed "gun rights" and fought tooth and nail against housing desegregation in 1968, and was responsible for the Democratic Party losing the Maryland governorship to Spiro T. Agnew ... and just look where that got ya.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
137 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Why Gun Control advocates will end up with egg on their face once again... [View all]
virginia mountainman
Mar 2012
OP
The real issue is easy availability of guns and ammo and the attitude that guns are ok.
bowens43
Mar 2012
#1
No valid reason. So I guess you're ok with bad guys killing innocent victims
shadowrider
Mar 2012
#3
I think it is ridiculous to think that only agents of the state can save me from harm.
Atypical Liberal
Mar 2012
#4
"there is no valid reason to allow anyone outside of law enforcement to possess hand guns"
Upton
Mar 2012
#7
So if it is not guns per se but a particular demographic with guns that is the problem
hack89
Mar 2012
#23
Yea, because the gun obsessed keep buying more and more hoping to satiate some strange needs.
Hoyt
Mar 2012
#81
No it won't. Americans know enough to look beyond the emotions at the hard fact.
hack89
Mar 2012
#10
The University of Chicago, the VPC, and NORC all recieve funding from the Joyce Foundation.
Dr_Scholl
Mar 2012
#109
Why? We don't tolerate air polluters, smokers are banned in a lot of places -- why not guns?
Hoyt
Mar 2012
#84
Nah, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. ALL gun owners are responsible people who never get MAD, and NEVER snap.
shadowrider
Mar 2012
#31
Disney is free to ban guns on its' property. As for school personnel carrying...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2012
#66
I don't know of any concealed carry licenses that allow carry in amusement parks
rl6214
Mar 2012
#121
Another "you can buy guns at Wal-Mart without ID" statement, it would seem.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2012
#55
I suspect a few antis would rather Martin's family go without justice...
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2012
#87
Build one yourself, they are inexpensive, easy to build and a lot of fun to build
rl6214
Mar 2012
#122