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Time to throw Gary Kleck under the bus... ellisonz Mar 2012 #1
Good shot. Hoyt Mar 2012 #4
Ummm, why? eqfan592 Mar 2012 #9
Had anyone here claimed this, then you'd have a great comeback. X_Digger Mar 2012 #2
You're joking right Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #12
When have I ever used that as a justification?!? Stop trying to put your fingers in my mouth, eh? X_Digger Mar 2012 #16
Ah, yes, the unlikely possibility that you may have to defend yourself. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #21
Defending myself from violent attack. X_Digger Mar 2012 #22
Thanks for proving my point once again Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #27
Do you deny that those people saved themselves with guns? X_Digger Mar 2012 #29
Not at all Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #33
So it was a safety device to them, correct? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #35
It was a killing tool for society Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #42
Can't admit that the device they used to save themselves was a safety device? X_Digger Mar 2012 #45
Amazing. I think the same about you. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #46
Your moral whip is past it's sell-by date. X_Digger Mar 2012 #47
Is that all you've got? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #49
You really want to re-hash the same conversation we've had ten times? X_Digger Mar 2012 #50
I have never said that about handguns and you know it. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #53
If you were being pragmatic.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #54
See you can't help but divert to personal attacks. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #58
"pointing out stupidity" -- is just what I did. X_Digger Mar 2012 #59
"They saved themselves by taking other lives." Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #97
Kleck has made a lot of sense for a very long time. This isn't news. NT Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #3
Well it's news to me. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #13
And of course you can't intelligently explain *why* he's a fool...... Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #36
he has said this several times gejohnston Mar 2012 #5
I don't care about gun laws affecting crime rates. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #11
he was talking about violent crime gejohnston Mar 2012 #24
I've read enough of it thanks. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #25
about property, I agree to a point gejohnston Mar 2012 #32
Bit of a stretch Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #43
car jacking is not about theft gejohnston Mar 2012 #52
Hey, I'm a big fan of the Joe Pickett series by CJ Box Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #55
I did not say they were unarmed gejohnston Mar 2012 #57
I think you're way off the mark there. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #60
bullshit gejohnston Mar 2012 #61
And, once again, how are you going to remove guns from the criminals. Full list please! Logical Mar 2012 #65
I'm not the one providing them Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #66
I love your idea. It is just not practical...... Logical Mar 2012 #67
I'm not talking about felons carrying guns Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #69
The only ones who will honor your rules are the non-criminals. n-t Logical Mar 2012 #73
us guys? gejohnston Mar 2012 #68
That's good. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #70
really? gejohnston Mar 2012 #72
How many sides of a point would you like to argue in the same thread? Oneka Mar 2012 #74
Apparently, you have a comprehension problem? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #78
My comprehension skillls work just fine Oneka Mar 2012 #94
It's not the first incident of cognitive dissonance with this particular poster. X_Digger Mar 2012 #100
So Kleck is basically stating... Clames Mar 2012 #6
so you are basically stating iverglas Mar 2012 #101
Agreed. mvccd1000 Mar 2012 #7
This post should be placed at the top of the main Gun Group page, in a nice frame or something. n/t NewMoonTherian Mar 2012 #8
So your gun is not concealed, I assume. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #10
This old fart has his snub nosed .38 in his pants pocket ... spin Mar 2012 #14
Damned if you do, damned if you don't Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #15
The smartest approach is to stay out of strange neighborhoods late at night ... spin Mar 2012 #17
I couldn't agree more. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #18
Hope you don't blow your nuts off one day! ellisonz Mar 2012 #102
"the honesty of open carry" rl6214 Mar 2012 #75
Correct me if I am wrong sarisataka Mar 2012 #19
You are correct Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #20
Lies, damned lies and... sarisataka Mar 2012 #23
I don't wonder how many Londoners regretted UK gun laws Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #26
I will differ sarisataka Mar 2012 #30
I don't buy the DGU numbers at all Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #31
total nonsense gejohnston Mar 2012 #34
Stopping imaginary aggression with aggression is not defensive Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #41
totally irrational rl6214 Mar 2012 #76
Irrational? Moi? That's funny. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #80
Real vs. imaginary aggression. Straw Man Mar 2012 #98
Still spouting the party line I see Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #108
Still spouting something else, I see. Straw Man Mar 2012 #116
It's his own creation, thank god, stupid as it is. n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #77
Offense vs defense sarisataka Mar 2012 #38
Where I come from, brandishing is a criminal offense, as it should be. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #48
Perhaps I missunderstood sarisataka Mar 2012 #56
"offensive" is a matter of intent and not an absolute. PavePusher Mar 2012 #62
to clarify sarisataka Mar 2012 #64
Of course. You are correct. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #71
Even Joyce funded gejohnston Mar 2012 #28
so-called "criminologist"? gejohnston Mar 2012 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #39
It's obvious Kleck's not much of a criminologist- after all, he says things ST doesn't like. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #40
You call 2.5 million DGU's science? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #44
the NRA never paid him gejohnston Mar 2012 #51
So your own sociologist... ellisonz Mar 2012 #103
Actually gejohnston Mar 2012 #104
Maybe you should take a hint... ellisonz Mar 2012 #105
I do gejohnston Mar 2012 #106
IIRC 2.5M was only the upper limit of his estimate. PavePusher Mar 2012 #63
Honestly, if he'd said 500,000 I'd think the same. Kleck's survey is a joke. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #79
then all phone surveys are bullshit gejohnston Mar 2012 #81
Many phone surveys are bullshit. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #82
or more likely gejohnston Mar 2012 #83
I reject bad science. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #84
In other words gejohnston Mar 2012 #85
Here's highly respected "criminologist" Marvin Wolfgang (RIP) Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #91
"I seriously doubt if there are 10,000 legitimate DGU's a year." PavePusher Mar 2012 #95
I know! And I don't buy any of them. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #96
"That's like doing a survey in an insane asylum and asking if anyone's seen Jesus of late." Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #90
IIRC again, most of the pro-restrictionists base their claims upon studies... PavePusher Mar 2012 #93
And recall that the survey was taken when crime was at it's peak, so ST Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #86
Let the record show that this member is willing to libel a liberal Democrat. Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #87
I actually corrected that Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #88
".....the poll itself is so flawed." Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #89
Kindly point to exactly where you retracted. NT Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #92
So by virtue of the fact that you're not disclosing where you "corrected" your libelous Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #99
They made efforts, but it made no difference Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #107
You continue to display your ignorance re. defensive gun use. Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #109
You just don't get it do you? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #110
So which is it? Is it a DGU only when someone's shot? X_Digger Mar 2012 #111
Oh right! Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #112
You let us know when your "DGU" research is done, mkay? n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #113
OK Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #115
What is Defensive Gun Use? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #114
here are a couple obvious examples of each gejohnston Mar 2012 #117
LOL All are good. All are inside the home. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #118
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