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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:27 AM

100. Your focus is perfectly backwards

Instead of inspecting the 2nd Amendment for ways to restrict the RIGHT you should be inspecting the body of The Constitution for a hint of power granted to the government to even contemplate the personal arms of the private citizen.

The Constitution is a charter of conferred powers and the government -- established by the Constitution -- only possesses the specific powers granted to it by the people. Those interests that the people have never surrendered are retained by the people.

To read the 2nd Amendment as imparting conditions and qualifications on the right means you believe that the people surrendered to government power to dictate upon their personal property.

And that is profoundly incorrect and injurious to the rights of the citizen.

Your belief is precisely why the Federalists argued so vehemently against adding a bill of rights to the Constitution.

As the Federalists argued in #84, because the government can only exercise the limited powers granted to it, "why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?" They thought adding a bill of rights was dangerous and absurd because such a list would only compile, "various exceptions to powers not granted; and, on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted . . . " The Federalists feared that no matter how the provisions were worded people would assume that the right flows from the enumeration and invent powers to restrain rights. Which is precisely what you are doing!

The citizen's of the USA don't possess the right to keep and bear arms because of a certain interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, we have the right because no power was ever granted to government to impact in any fashion, the personal arms of the private citizen. Neither the simple passage of time, our elevated society nor our modern "enlightenment" has altered that fact.

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