Gun Control & RKBA

friendly_iconoclast

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61. When has an enumerated right *ever* been held subordinate to an un-enumerated (and ill-defined) one?

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 03:16 AM

Mar 2012

You will note that cases like Roe v. Wade, Loving v. Virginia, Griswold v. Connecticut, and Lawrence v. Texas were all decided against state governments that claimed an interest in banning actions they claimed were a threat to public safety or order. The Supremes rightfully told them all "nunya bidness". Griswold,Roe, and Lawrence all explicitly upheld a right to privacy- a truly progressive idea.

BTW, what's your take on United States v Jones? (The disinterested observer will note that Antonin Scalia wrote the majority opinion in a 9-0 decision...)

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Why I'm not going to rejoin the NRA just yet. [View all] friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 OP

They're already in the tank for Rmoney... ellisonz Mar 2012 #1

I wrote them a letter and said they had to find a way to reach out socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #2

It doesn't matter how many letters you write... ellisonz Mar 2012 #3

Change has to begin somewhere... socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #4

Define "gun-friendly" in policy terms. ellisonz Mar 2012 #5

Simply meant as sports people and not anti-gun, that's all socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #7

One doesn't have to be "anti-gun" ellisonz Mar 2012 #8

All they are doing is protecting the second amendment. socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #11

They are not protecting the Second Amendment... ellisonz Mar 2012 #13

You are confused between the NRA and local laws socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #14

Rubbish. ellisonz Mar 2012 #16

Military guns have been collected for generations socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #25

I agree with the Supreme Court of the State of California... ellisonz Mar 2012 #26

An obvious projection - re-read the statement socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #27

Oh I have... ellisonz Mar 2012 #29

You wrote it - not me. It's there for all to see socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #32

The Cali S.C. is a bunch of ignorant political hacks. PavePusher Mar 2012 #34

I'm sure Jan Brewer and company agree with you... ellisonz Mar 2012 #35

Screw Brewer, she's got nothing to do with this. Stay on-topic. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #37

You insulted the Supreme Court of my home state... ellisonz Mar 2012 #38

They are ignorant on the technical aspects of firearms, basic math, ballistics, physics and logic. PavePusher Mar 2012 #39

Prove it... ellisonz Mar 2012 #40

So, how many crimes *have* been committed with .50 caliber rifles in California? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #52

This isn't a social science argument. ellisonz Mar 2012 #53

That's not answering the question. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #56

You're making a really good case for better gun control... ellisonz Mar 2012 #57

Why? Gun crime is on the decline- wait, I forgot... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #58

Ironically... ellisonz Mar 2012 #59

When has an enumerated right *ever* been held subordinate to an un-enumerated (and ill-defined) one? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #61

"A well-regulated Militia" - No member of SCOTUS denies that gun control is Constitutional... ellisonz Mar 2012 #62

"Legitimate law enforcement efforts" FOLLOW the Constitution. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #95

Mahalos. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #96

No, that argument can not be made. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #64

So you think that gun control has increased over the past 20 years? hack89 Mar 2012 #65

Not in any way, shape or form. PavePusher Mar 2012 #69

No, it's an empirical evidence argument, and you have none. PavePusher Mar 2012 #70

That's not how we make laws in this country. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #71

Heh, well played. PavePusher Mar 2012 #80

Mahalos ellisonz Mar 2012 #81

Great. Let's restrict the rights of vocal opponents to President Obama shadowrider Mar 2012 #82

I think you need a reality check. ellisonz Mar 2012 #83

I'm not advocating violence against anyone shadowrider Mar 2012 #84

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution is already restricted. ellisonz Mar 2012 #85

Would you restrict the 1A rights of people based on their political preference? shadowrider Mar 2012 #88

Hell no. ellisonz Mar 2012 #89

Well, my question is a simple one shadowrider Mar 2012 #90

Not all Amendments are identical in construct... ellisonz Mar 2012 #91

You and I disagree shadowrider Mar 2012 #92

Prove what? That crimes commited with .50 cal rifles are essentially non-existant? PavePusher Mar 2012 #68

But what if it was Democrats? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #6

And you voted for the Republican... ellisonz Mar 2012 #9

It very well could socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #12

I said no such thing... ellisonz Mar 2012 #15

".50 cal rifles for all" Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #18

+1 Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #21

I agree with the Supreme Court of the State of California... ellisonz Mar 2012 #23

California Supreme Court... Clames Mar 2012 #30

I agree with that also. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #45

You also... ellisonz Mar 2012 #46

So does the Obama administration... mvccd1000 Mar 2012 #48

But that's okay- they're authority figures, dontcha know? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #51

Lets see here........................... oneshooter Mar 2012 #19

This isn't rocket science. ellisonz Mar 2012 #24

If it ain't rocket science then why do you keep avoiding the questions asked? oneshooter Mar 2012 #36

since MAIG is not a law enforcement agency gejohnston Mar 2012 #42

It is really strange that a person who claims to be so highly educated wants to avoid oneshooter Mar 2012 #43

Cite please. ellisonz Mar 2012 #54

The Tiahart Amendment was passed in 2004 gejohnston Mar 2012 #67

That doesn't prove your argument... ellisonz Mar 2012 #72

yes it does gejohnston Mar 2012 #73

Actually, no it doesn't: ellisonz Mar 2012 #74

since MAIG lied about everything else gejohnston Mar 2012 #75

Now you're getting into... ellisonz Mar 2012 #76

No it did not gejohnston Mar 2012 #77

^^^^ ellisonz Mar 2012 #78

in other words, gejohnston Mar 2012 #79

Poopyhead- you're not recognizing the "higher truth" in MAIG's statements. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #94

Yes, I think it is important to send policy messages through voting where possible. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #17

Good luck with that, single-issue voter... ellisonz Mar 2012 #22

If I was a single-issue voter, I would not have voted for Obama. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #44

I think they will always lobby for gun rights socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #10

Democratic* ellisonz Mar 2012 #28

That's because I wrote what I meant - Democrat. socialindependocrat Mar 2012 #31

Oy Vey ellisonz Mar 2012 #33

If all you can do is complain about spelling and whether a word is a noun or a verb rl6214 Mar 2012 #86

You should take that... ellisonz Mar 2012 #87

I understand and agree with your position, but I believe Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #20

No point in donating money to people that piss on the President, while accepting Mitt's AWB. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #50

Well said - and I agree with your perceptions Simo 1939_1940 Mar 2012 #93

Obama is not allowing the Korean M-1s to return to this country. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #41

True, but Rmoney signed MA's "assault weapons" ban into law. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #47

Obama's record as a Senator is profoundly anti-gun. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #66

All anti-gun is a level! You do not like obamas level, I do. He as... Logical Mar 2012 #49

"Sorry, but Obama is anti-gun." ellisonz Mar 2012 #55

I can't speak for GSC, but I'm certainly voting Obama in November. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #60

I'm not a single issue voter. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #63