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Response to X_Digger (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 09:26 AM

35. Not at all

Let's look at the words in question:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The first part of the qualifying phrase implies he words "since" and "therefore": Since a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, therefore the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Otherwise, it has no use and no identifiable purpose.

Now, let's look at your examples:

If I said, "I'm completely out of soda, I think I'm going to go grocery shopping." -- would you think I'm only buying soda? Do stores only sell soda?

Here, the construction is essentially the same as the Second A." Since I'm completely out of soda, therefore I think I'm going to go grocery shopping." The only fact you can glean with certainty from that is that you're going grocery shopping to buy some more soda.

The second example is confused: "Pizza being useful for late-night study sessions, the right to grow and harvest tomatoes shall not be infringed." -- are tomatoes only to be used for pizza sauce?

This statement is a complete non sequitur. Since pizza is useful for late-night study sessions, therefore what ?

In addition, the entire discussion about 'well regulated' is a moot point. Whether or not it meant "functioning correctly" as some scholars believe it did in the Eighteenth Century or not really adds nothing to the discussion. The 2A would mean exactly the same if it simply said "A militia being necessary...".

The point is that all attempts to force the plain language must by definition not take into account the existence of the qualifier "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state...". The fact that the Framers "... expected people to defend themselves with arms, not just use them for militias..." as you state would clearly have supported the construction of an Amendment that simply stated that 'The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". But it didn't.




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