44 countries with the lowest murder rate and their gun laws.

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4. What was their crime rates before gun laws?

Most of Europe was much lower than now, ad hoc fallacy. I noticed that countries with even stricter laws, buy much higher murder rates, like Mexico, Brazil, and South Africa is absent. In fact, we have some of the lowest murder rates in the world.

Also, look at the factors that criminologists and evolutionary psychologists look at. What do these countries have with the US when it comes to drug gangs, crumbling infrastructure, wealth inequality, and political corruption? Nothing. When it comes to that, we have more in common with Brazil and Mexico, which have far stricter gun laws and higher murder rates. The areas in the US where most of the murders take place, over half is concentrated in two percent of the counties, are those type of places. Also, most of them are gangs killing each other with guns that were not purchased at an FFL nor a gun show.

Sure, either side can cherry pick their favorite countries claim a correlation. Fact is, there is no correlation. The mainstream criminology studies generally show that gun laws and gun ownership rates are irrelevant. Both the CDC and National Academy of Science said as much.