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one-eyed fat man

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63. Wasn't that one of Fenty's arguments?
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 03:28 PM
Feb 2012

One of the District's arguments was the Second Amendment only applied to STATES and since they weren't one...

The Supremes busted that balloon with Heller.

In McDonald Chicago argued that Heller did not apply to the states since the ruling only affected the District and Federal territory.

Dickwad Daley did for the citizens of Chicago (and Oak Park, who were stupid enough to believe him when he promised Chicago would pay their legal expenses if they joined Chicago in fighting McDonald) what Fuckhead Fenty did for denizens of DC.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence lobbied to have the D.C. gun laws changed so the case would not eligible to be heard by the Supreme Court. Paul Helmke, before the Court granted certiorari, pleaded with D.C. to modify its gun laws.

He understood that the collective rights theory of the Second Amendment was tenuous, at best. The foundation of most gun control arguments was that the Second Amendment only protected the States' right to arm militias. The very foundation, the most basic tenet of faith for every gun banner, has always been that the Founders never intended for the "people" to own arms. He clearly understood that by going to the Supreme Court, the District ran the risk of the court finding for an "individual right." That would drive a stake right through the heart of the most earnestly cherished notions of gun control proponents.

That his worst fears came to fruition is evident when he ruefully admitted that after the court ruled that the door had been shut, "the path to a complete ban on gun ownership is now gone."

What a crock! They lost they should pay! one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #1
My personal favorite ... too much for the taxpayers! DonP Feb 2012 #2
My DC Vote is Pay Them fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #12
I don't picture gejohnston Feb 2012 #18
They Did Both fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #22
What Are You Talking About fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #3
They are also paying for gejohnston Feb 2012 #4
What am I talking about? burf Feb 2012 #5
Hypocrisy? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #6
That pesky Constitution thingie does get in the way sometimes, doesn't it? n/t burf Feb 2012 #7
Pesky? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #8
I guess that means a state could start ignoring the Thirteenth Amendment if they wanted to, yes? n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #37
It's All Toilet Paper fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #40
I sure do. But you don't seem to.... n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #49
So, it's 'states rights' then? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #73
You're welcome DonP Feb 2012 #9
Right..... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #10
You're gonna whine and bitch about living in DC and not having voting rights in every thread? rl6214 Feb 2012 #72
PS.... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #11
however gejohnston Feb 2012 #13
Gainfully Employed? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #15
*Again* with the genetic fallacy. Anyway, it doesn't matter-rights are rights. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #19
Who Said Anyone fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #24
I don't play that game gejohnston Feb 2012 #21
Oh Good Grief fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #26
Apparently Mr. Heller wasn't supposed to assume the Constitution applies everywhere. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #16
You Seem to Think It Matters fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #20
DC has good cause for complaint. That doesn't legitimize its stance on guns. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #29
Exemption? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #30
In your view, are there any *other* SC decisions that shouldn't apply to DC? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #33
Shouldn't Apply? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #34
Amendment process. Use it. PavePusher Feb 2012 #38
We Consent? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #39
Please elucidate on this "property right" you'd have to "give up". PavePusher Feb 2012 #48
Sell My Home fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #55
Who said "sell"? Rent it out. Also, as I stated before: "Amendment Process". PavePusher Feb 2012 #58
Right fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #59
If DC had recognized his rights to begin with, you'd have no legal costs to complain about. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #14
LOL fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #17
start a petition gejohnston Feb 2012 #23
Get a History Lesson fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #28
DC's legit beef about lack of representation isn't a "Get Out Of Recognizing Constitutional Rights.. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #25
Not Even Close fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #27
Virginians apparently didn't want interracial marriages in 'their' state. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #31
Virginia fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #32
The Legitmacy of Federal Supremacy fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #35
I take it you haven't studied U.S Government tortoise1956 Feb 2012 #36
Good Grief fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #41
It seems as though that move somewhere else is an answer burf Feb 2012 #60
I'd be freaking amazed tortoise1956 Feb 2012 #61
Wasn't that one of Fenty's arguments? one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #63
I would solve the problem by reducing the size of the District MicaelS Feb 2012 #67
There is a second FFL in DC one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #42
You have got to be kidding me! burf Feb 2012 #44
Don't Ask Me fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #46
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh gejohnston Feb 2012 #47
Who Cares fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #54
His license status is public record one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #50
Could It Be fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #52
Could care less? So, you care then? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #74
If you supported your elected officials one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #43
Nice fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #45
"Yes it was worth every penny." To loose? PavePusher Feb 2012 #51
We Lost? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #53
So who are these "masters" who have told you that burf Feb 2012 #56
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #57
Dear fightthegodfightnow, tortoise1956 Feb 2012 #62
"not one single gun dealer is independently operating a gun store on private property in DC." HALO141 Feb 2012 #70
That's it, let's break cities financially who don't want guns in public. Hoyt Feb 2012 #64
BS Suits? NaturalHigh Feb 2012 #65
Because some yahoo filed a law suit that got the 5 right wing Justices to vote the NRA way. Hoyt Feb 2012 #66
And who so provocatively attracted that law suit? SteveW Feb 2012 #68
You didn't read the dissenting justices opinions did you? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #75
Stevens and the other three who agreed with his dissent didn't buy into the NRA's view. Hoyt Feb 2012 #76
Didn't they? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #77
I am fine with that. Keep them in your homes - although with some restrictions on numbers and type. Hoyt Feb 2012 #78
The 2nd doesn't appear to allow for that, and the dissent leaned heavily upon Miller. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #79
IIRC, gejohnston Feb 2012 #80
That is correct, the entire Miller case defendant side was unrepresented DonP Feb 2012 #81
Miller was a no show, too. He was dead. MicaelS Feb 2012 #82
The "procedural irregularities" one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #84
Why? oneshooter Feb 2012 #83
Funny how the tune changes with the shoe on the other foot, huh? DonP Feb 2012 #71
OK, where do I sign up? n/t HALO141 Feb 2012 #69
You miss the whole point, don't you? one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #85
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