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Response to branford (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:43 PM

12. violent crime rates fell dramatically during AWB years

Branford: .. gun deaths, and all violent crime, are consistently falling all while the number of guns is steadily increasing, ownership and carry laws pervasively liberalizing (along with the expiration of the Clinton-era "assault weapons" ban), ..

Proof of Branford's duplicity, since the greatest decline in violent crime rate occurred during the 10 year period when the Clinton assault weapon ban was in place - yet above Branford implies that the AWB was counter productive & as a result of it expiring violent crime declined.

Since the early 1960's - with the increasing 'deployment' of semi-auto handguns - the national violent crime rate rose FIVE TIMES and now 2015 remains about twice as high as when guns started their climb to saturate the country. (Gun murder rate will be about 2/3 of murder rates & guncrime rates generally a consistent proportion as well.)
Simply put, in early 1960's the violent crime rate was ~160, today it's double at 368, all the while the "number of guns has been steadily increasing".

Rate...... Violcr ... prop ... murder ... US gunstock
1960 ..... 160.9 1,726.3 5.1 ........ ~75 millions
1964 ..... 190.6 2,197.5 4.9
1975 ..... 487.8 4,810.7 9.6 ........ ~150 mill
1985 ..... 556.6 4,650.5 8.0
1993 ..... 746.8 4,737.7 9.5 ........ ~225 mill
2000 ..... 506.5 3,618.3 5.5
2010 ...... 404.5 2,945.9 4.8 .......... ~300 mill
2013 ..... 367.9 2,730.7 4.5 ........ ~300+ mill

The violent crime rate today is twice what it was in 1960, the property crime rate 50% higher, & the murder rate at parity 10% lower;
... from approx. 1960 to 1993 the national gunstock rose ~200% while the violent crime rate increased near 400%, the murder rate near doubled and the property rate near tripled.
From 1993 to 2013 the violent crime rate decreased approx. 50% while the US gunstock increased approx. 35%.
You cherry pick the years from 1993 to 2013 & praise guns, while ignoring the devastion caused during the rise of the gun 1960s - early 1990s.

Branford: Courtesy of the DOJ (BJS and NIJ) and Pew Research:

Why do you keep posting these links to make it appear they support your premises when they don't? they only supply data & crime statistics. Just a sham.

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