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In reply to the discussion: A recent gun nut talking point. [View all]AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)30. Do you read what you write?
"nobody will ever interfere with their "God Given" right to have as many assault substitute penises as possible"
You are clearly framing that in the negative. Why? Who cares. One? Care. Two? Care a little. More than two, who cares? Why does that make them more dangerous/problematic than a person with 1-2? They still can only use one at a time, realistically. I mean, one could be a jackass and hold two AR's at once, single-handing each one, and hit pretty much nothing as a result, sure. Three? Four? Fifty? Now you're just giving them incentive to barricade themselves in-place with their horde, and SWAT knows how to deal with that.
"BTW, "piss their pants,..." was sarcasm. Many people use it. Perhaps learning how to recognize it might help?"
Oh no you don't. You were talking about being disarmed and having their weapon used against them. Stats now, or admit you're just furthering a bullshit meme to try and belittle people, essentially an invalid rhetorical noise. Remember, you said:
"Statistically, I know that it is much more likely that a gun will wind up being used on it's owner when they lose their nerve, piss in their pants and have the gun taken from them."
You seemed pretty clear there. Please proceed to defend your claim of what you 'know'.
It may have helped your critique if you'd actually read my post.
So, now that we've dealt with that, what made you think I didn't read your post?
My issue was with the gun nuts who have their Rambo fantasies
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Defined how? As an atheist, I have no need or appreciation for 'god given rights', but I do have multiple firearms classified by certain arbitrary rules issued by Congress as 'assault weapons'. Do I have a 'Rambo fantasy?' (I don't even like the movies.)
Are you saying that Wayne LaPierre is right with his "good guy with a gun" nonsense? Do you actually believe that more guns is the answer to gun violence?
In the abstract, a police officer responding to a shooting or any other physical violence, is a 'good guy with a gun', yes or no?
I don't know how you quantify 'more guns', the market is pretty saturated, and most guns sold these days go to people who already own one or more guns, so 'more guns' doesn't really increase the 'good guy with a gun' quotient. But then again, I never said the NRA knew what the fuck it was talking about. I suppose one could interpret that as an encouragement for gun owners to carry, rather than more people to buy guns they don't carry. But that's investing a level of intelligence in the NRA that may not be warranted.
Would you feel comfortable taking your family into a store or restaurant where a bunch of open carry ammosexuals were congregating while they compared guns like a bunch of kids boasting about the size of their private parts in the schoolyard?
I don't mind people open carrying. Perfectly legal. 'Comparing' them implies handling the weapons, and that would put me off, since that increases the odds of an accident happening. (Military recruiters, and people off-duty on base aren't unarmed for no particular reason, they are unarmed because the risk of accidental discharge (negligent discharge) is MUCH higher than their chance of being subjected to enemy attack.
Handling the firearms also potentially moves the needle from open carry, to the legal interpretation of 'brandishing', as the definition requires a judgment call, and someone sweeping a barrel across a room full of people could cross that threshold.
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I asked my soon-to-be husband to please remove his gun from the house
HeiressofBickworth
Jul 2015
#6
"When I pointed out that the NRA solution to gun violence is always more guns..."
beevul
Jul 2015
#8
You don't need a class III weapon to go to the store...those are for family fun time at the range.
ileus
Jul 2015
#9
Since your house has never been broken in to all those other people must be doing something wrong.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#10
Okay, so you claim to speak for your experience but you insult everyone who doesn't
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#64
If your friend isn't inside your home when someone breaks in it's probably too late any way.
ileus
Jul 2015
#12
So, if you're 900 yards away from me, and someone is trying to do you great bodily harm*
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2015
#33
Lets start here "A recent gun nut talking point." and travel the road you just opened.
oneshooter
Jul 2015
#35
Marian, I salute you. Your defence of logic and facts against the tide of distortion and lies is
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#36
Hey, well said. And to Marian, good on you to say things that need to be said.
AllFieldsRequired
Jul 2015
#39
Fred, you don't even have the intestinal fortitude to view opposing opinions. How
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#66
Considering some of us RKBA supporters are women -- yes, it is very shameful conduct.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#85
"Psychologists & Psychiatrists have been using phallic symbolism about guns for decades!"
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#67
It should be up to the state legislature and university administrators to decide, not you
Lurks Often
Jul 2015
#97
How about you explain how you are going to prevent guns from being in your classroom?
Lurks Often
Jul 2015
#110
No "if"s about it. Try it and you're going to jail. It really is that simple.
stone space
Jul 2015
#116
Boy, I just realized, change one or two words and you sound way too much like George Wallace
DonP
Jul 2015
#117
I don't take legal advice from internet lawers who don't know the laws in my state.
stone space
Aug 2015
#157
"Think carefully before you let you gun control opinions destroy your career or risk financial ruin"
stone space
Aug 2015
#165
Someone has to educate you on the law, your posts show you don't understand anything about the law.
Lurks Often
Aug 2015
#172
Marian, note the passive-aggressive voice and the "more guns" is the solution. Always the same.
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#68
You just destroyed what little cred you had by stuffing words in my mouth.
pablo_marmol
Jul 2015
#106
The logical failure of the gun lovers is legendary. Always the solution to so many guns is more guns.
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#126
I have 39 on Full Ignore...35 are gun lovers....and counting...debating idiots is a waste of time,
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#169