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Response to TPaine7 (Reply #81)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 05:51 PM

89. Wow, you guys really can't stray even an inch from the gunner talking points, can you!

 

I mean, I really thought after my last post that you would try to come up with a single philosophical argument as to why gun ownership actually should be considered a civil right. Obviously there is no good reason because, as I repeatedly pointed out, gun ownership has nothing to do with maintaining or participating in a free democratic society. But I was at least hoping for some of that inimitable pro-gunner ingenuity.

But, nothing! Just the same nauseating crap that might as well be cut and pasted from guncite, which, sorry to say, clear-thinking people are not going to find very persuasive. And, believe me, if want to "learn" about the latest sordid arguments right-wingers are using to prop up their strange constitutional interpretations, I know exactly where to look.

Since this seems to be the conclusion of our discussion, I'll summarize briefly. The second amendment had a specific purpose, which was to protect militias. If not for the militia issue there would likely not have been a second amendment. This is not particularly controversial. The controversy only begins when people like yourself try to extend that right to other areas like self-defense and hunting. This is why pro-gunners are forced to resort to convoluted arguments, for example, this umm "creative" idea that the 14th amendment implicitly changed the meaning of 2A in a way that only right-wing supreme court justices are able to appreciate. (I see that you are now accusing me of trying to dismiss the 14th... LOL! the hits just keep on coming!)

Anyway, regarding the boorish American exceptionalism, I'm glad to see I was right, though I'm not surprised. The issue, of course, is not that either the USA or any other nation has a perfect civil rights record. But you seemed to place particular value on the fact that a majority of Americans agree with the right-wing interpretation of the second amendment, so I thought it fit to point out that this "gun rights" obsession is in fact largely confined to the American right. But I certainly didn't actually expect you to either know or care about what happens or what people think outside of our borders (gejohnston are you reading this...?).

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