Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Can we pease stop advocating murder in the gungeon? [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)blueridge: I didn't take anything out of context. You're reading what you want to see in the statement.
You certainly did take ggjohn out of context:
I wrote: GGjohn said it would be justified, if daniels had pulled out his gun & shot:"
blueridge wrote: Uh, no, here's what he said: "Clarence Daniels would've been fully justified in defending himself" Defense may take a number of forms up to and including deadly force.
You clearly disregarded ggjohn's first clause (below), what he had written just prior to your excerpt, which altered the meaning of ggjohn's tailing. It's obvious ggjohn is referring to daniel's concealed pistol, when he says 'this moron {assailant} is lucky to be alive'
Another way of putting it is, had Clarence daniels 'gotten' the memo, assailant would have been shot.
ggjohn: I thought that those with CHL's were just itching to pull their gun and shoot someone. Guess Clarence Daniels didn't get the memo. This moron is lucky to be alive, Clarence Daniels would've been fully justified in defending himself.
blueridge: I mean that age disparity is one of a number of factors when self defense claims are judged. That would be you taking my statement out of context.
Uh, that doesn't really qualify as ooc, I presented your version quite honestly; ooc doesn't infer one must cite the entire quote, just not to distort or misrepresent thinigs. And I only said you 'might'....:
blueridge wrote: as an elderly man being tackled by a younger assailant, he could articulate a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm.
I wrote: You might mean elderly people with some disability, but daniels appears to have been ambulatory & in fair to good shape.
blueridge's 'elderly' quote in relevant entirety: .. an elderly man being tackled by a younger assailant, he could articulate a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm. Age disparity is one of a number of factors when determining if self defense is justified.
'Age disparity' as being one of a number of factors, had nowt to do with my rejoinder. Being elderly in itself doesn't justify use of excessive force. Bizarre coinky dinky, the 73 yr old confusing taser with pistol, tho quite dissimilar from this one.
BR: ... there is no evidence that Zimmerman stalked Martin. Calling the police on a person one believes to be suspicious is not "stalking" under any reasonable interpretation of the word. Regarding Zimmerman's post trial issues; they have no bearing on the facts regarding the shooting of Martin.
Addendum on edit: I edited my post 55, perhaps you missed it; cbs, then: a portion of the Feb. 29 interview tape in court, in which Zimmerman says, "They told me not to follow him. I wasn't following him, I was just going in the same direction." "That's following," Serino said on the tape. O'Mara asked whether Serino had any evidence that Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon Martin after a non-emergency dispatcher told him not to. "I would answer I have information, yes," "Just based on where we located Trayvon and the fact that the altercation happened after the confrontation. That's my interpretation. There was some following."
police played back a portion of Zimmerman's non-emergency call, prosecutor asked whether referring to someone as "---ing punks" demonstrates "ill will" or spite," elements of the second-degree murder charge the state is seeking to prove. Zimmerman used the phrases "f---ing punks" and "these (a-holes) always get away" on the call with dispatchers.