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Straw Man

(6,884 posts)
14. I lie? That's as obnoxious as it is untrue, Jimmy.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 06:33 PM
Apr 2015
What I wrote was true. You lie with statistics, ignoring intervening years & making a typical maths error in spreading your disinformation, thinking the big upward murder rate bulge signified nothing.

And what I wrote was equally true. I did not lie, nor did I make any math error. I merely demonstrated that speculation about the meaning of statistics is just that: speculation.

I see that you're also avoiding the plain fact that "violent crime" isn't necessarily committed with guns.

Correlation is correlation, it can either support causation or be coincidence. The axiom is meant to prevent unrealistic & ridiculous links based simply on correlation.

Right. And you've done exactly that: made a link based on correlation alone.

But a link between guns & crime rates, is not unrealistic, nor ridiculous.

Maybe, maybe not. You've done nothing but posit a connection, but have ignored other factors, such as the crack epidemic and changes in policing policies.

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Their fears never really pan out, they sell fear to folks that are ignorant of the facts ileus Apr 2015 #1
I can't imagine what it is to live in fear like that every minute of the day. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #5
Started our 2nd year in Illinois, 124,000 permits and still waiting ... DonP Apr 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author petronius Apr 2015 #3
No blood in calculuz classes either Lurks Often Apr 2015 #4
Wasn't there supposed to be a daily re-enactment... NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #6
The control side is absolutely sure of so many things that just never happen DonP Apr 2015 #7
It isn't just that. beevul Apr 2015 #8
I once used, "small I ignorant" in a post - it got hidden DonP Apr 2015 #9
a gn's false premises jimmy the one Apr 2015 #10
Are those gonzo stats? Straw Man Apr 2015 #11
unrealistic & ridiculous jimmy the one Apr 2015 #13
I lie? That's as obnoxious as it is untrue, Jimmy. Straw Man Apr 2015 #14
ignorable jimmy the one Apr 2015 #16
Ignoble. Straw Man Apr 2015 #17
2 + 2 = 4, a four-gone conclusion jimmy the one Apr 2015 #20
Mixing causation with coincidence again, huh? Straw Man Apr 2015 #21
your inherent weakness jimmy the one Apr 2015 #22
One hardly knows where to begin ... Straw Man Apr 2015 #23
playing stupid? jimmy the one Apr 2015 #24
Ad nauseum, ad absurdum. Straw Man Apr 2015 #28
scrutiny jimmy the one Apr 2015 #30
I'll try to make this very plain for you, Jimmy. Straw Man Apr 2015 #31
Hmm....interesting exchange. blueridge3210 Apr 2015 #32
pac man jimmy the one Apr 2015 #25
You just don't get it, do you? Straw Man Apr 2015 #27
It's absolutely "bigoted and sickening" not to mention a shameful POV DonP Apr 2015 #12
nobody pays attention to jimmy, except, nobodies jimmy the one Apr 2015 #15
Irony. Straw Man Apr 2015 #18
parry to parry jimmy the one Apr 2015 #26
In other words ... Straw Man Apr 2015 #29
A few observations... jeepnstein Apr 2015 #19
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